Originally Posted by *************
Most of you guys have the same opinion as me, there is nothing original there, i mean seriously, can you package shisha in something other than the same exact round tins.
"made from scratch in arlington", samb, i don't mean to call you out but i have heard some lies in this industry for the sake of marketing that make me chuckle, almost puke up a bit in my mouth.
i have some "insider" knowledge in this industry. don't quote this as fact as i get fed a ton of lies every day in this industry and unless you see something with your own eyes then don't believe it. social smoke used to be a huge account of SB. I think Texas' biggest. In fact years ago Social Smoke was supposed to be SB's exclusive online retailer however, that couldn't really be controlled by anyone as SB exploded and was available everywhere. Anyways, there was some sort of "falling out", don't know why or what but SB and SS are in some type of disagreement.
Now, enter SS shisha, how convenient. Same look, same feel, but for $1 less, wow, impressive. I wish them luck, really, I do, but they will need it against SB.
Something about SB you guys should know as a company. Forget whether you are a fan of their product or not. They DOMINATE the market compared to any new comer that has made any feeble attempt at copying them. Let's put Nakhla and Al Fakher aside as those are "classics" that have been around for way longer and were the only choices of shish 10 years ago for the most part. SB was selling shisha at double price before anyone could dare to do it. SB came up with all of these "exotic" flavors, great for marketing. SB OWNS California, just go into any smoke shop or any hookah lounge. Not only that, they OWN Michigan and New Jersey, 2 major Middle Eastern hookah smoking communities. Also, they have tried multiple attempts to challenge Starbuzz, not only in CA but on there own ground, like Skyzz or 360 or whatever. Even at half price, in their own state competitors can't come anywhere near SB status. There have been a ton of crap shisha to hit the market too. I don't want to name name since I know many of the players, ok, maybe a few...de ja vu, number 5, cleopatra, the list can go on, I'll throw out a little hint here, as a consumer and as an industry person. If you want to compete you need to bring something better to the table, not just a copy and take off a couple of bucks.
You guys can check the thousands of posts I have made and you will never see me praising starbuzz. In fact, it's not even a big seller for me. In fact, I don't get any benefits from SB. And to prove it even more, if the owner of Starbuzz is reading I don't even like you that much
But respect has to be given to innovators not replicators. Social Smoke, good luck to you, you will need it. And as far as it being 100% American made, I will bet anyone of them at SS $1000 that it's not, I will go to Texas and inspect the whole operation and report back, and if I'm a loser I will be out $1000 and apologize to SS.
OK time for some morning coffee.
*************, Put your money where your mouth is... I see your bet and I raise you to $10,000. Social Smoke expects an apology and a $10,000 donation to The Child Foundation http://www.childfoundation.org/
upon disproving your accusations. Furthermore, I'll bet you another $10,000 that you can not produce a single invoice, email, or other document from any supplier or manufacturer to even remotely back up your claims. If you do not wish to lose $10,000 we expect an apology and a $1000 check made payable to The Child Foundation, which we will donate on your behalf. Either way, we will set the record straight.
We have invited, at our expense, three well known and respected hookah personalities to tour our facility and make their own assessments of our honesty.
Mushrat from Hookahforum.com
Mark from Hookahwhisperer.com
Sambooka from HookahPro.com
I'm here to unequivocally state the following facts. There should be no doubt on any of the following:
1.Our tobacco is made 100% from scratch at our warehouse in Arlington, Texas.
2.Our recipe and formula are 100% developed from scratch and with no outside assistance.
3.We use no artificial colors or preservatives.
4.We do not wash our tobacco in any way.
5.We are a direct importer of the dry leaf to manufacture the tobacco.
6.We have been federally licensed as a tobacco manufacturer since February 2007.
7.Finally, rest assured that the tin cans are a means to an end. We've been working on a 100% custom made packaging for months and it is being finalized as we speak. It was never our intention on selling our product in tin cans. We pushed our manufacturing schedule up and tin cans are the most readily available package on the market that does not break, is not made from paper, or doesn't requires huge initial orders to be custom made. On top of that this is the ONLY style of any tin can shape that fits a 250g bag well.
We did not market our new tobacco on Hookahfourm or any other forum, nor have we actively participated in online forums for years unless invited to do so. As always we appreciate the forums as a center for sharing Hookah knowledge and experiences, and value honest feedback and opinions, but feel that forum discussion shouldn't be a venue for vendors to plug their products and instead be left untainted and organic.
For anyone curious about Social Smoke:
Social Smoke is a family business that was established in September 2002 has been actively engaged in business since October 2003. We have worked very very hard to grow from a one man online retail website to an international distribution company. We've made it to INC magazine's 2008 INC 500 list
, Fort Worth Business Press
, Fortune Small Biz Magazine
, and CNN
. We alluded to our tobacco in the Fort Worth Business Press article which came out in Oct 2009: "And there’s another product line expansion on the horizon that will make its debut by the end of the year. The Nadimi's just aren’t saying what that is." Bottom line we are not new comers to this industry, and we do not need help, support, or well wishes from characters like *************.
We knew the owner of Starbuzz before the company had even been established, and we were the first company to market Starbuzz on the national and international market including the very states you mentioned (Michigan and New Jersey). We were also the first company to market Starbuzz online including places like Hookah Forum going back to 2005. There is no one on any forum that can educate us on Starbuzz. We have no issues with Starbuzz, or its owner, and wish them all the best. We no longer distribute Starbuzz for obvious business reasons....We have our own tobacco and manufacturing capability.
Dir of Sales and Marketing
Social Smoke, Inc