yeah id have to agree. i have a really "odd" egyptian bowl. its HUGE! (but shallow) lol and its the only thing i had the other day when i was smoking by myself on the way home from school. (makes the drive in traffic go by alot faster) i just under-packed it and used 2x foil like i always do..and only 1 of the large 3kings. it worked beautifuly. clouds were sooo thick. the cars next to me were confused. but the smoke was getting really harsh after 30min. (WB mint SB) and this is not common so im guessing alot of the shish was just burned up and finished.