Originally Posted by Coyotero
MZ has a strong backing as a good pipe. Unfortunately I've never handled one personally, so I can't really give a recommendation one way or the other (I refuse to recommend a product I have no personal experience with, no matter how many great things I've heard.)
If you want to go KM, you can get a carnival for about $75 or so from Hookahstore, presuming you use your hookahpro discount code.
see thats why i value your opinion, you dont recommend something if you dont know it. i was looking at getting the butterfly stem and a glitter base to strip and etch.