The apple had a very slight smell/taste of green apple candy and the flavor didn't last long. It lost all flavor near the 15 minute mark. I stopped after 30 minutes. It didn't get harsh or anything just had no flavor. The smoke stayed at med/thin. I'm hoping it was just a bad pack. By the sounds of the orange that may be what I had. I was hoping the orange was a good one. The local shop sells Wazir and saving the shipping costs for other brands would be great. Thanks for the info.