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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:09 AM
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Default Re: The Espresso Vs The Vader

i have the vader, except without the gold rings..... smokes great. However, the glass is not translucent so finding the right water level is nex to impossible. I would reccomend it over the espresso, i have heard of alot of problms with that brand
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