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Old January 22nd, 2012, 01:58 AM
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First off, I figure this applies well to HP considering the quality products from Syria are hard to come by and a successful revolution will likely ease up if not remove the hard sanctions on the country right now. Free trade will do the country well again.

There is a community that likes the Assad regime in place, fearing what else might replace it; fearing another Iran. There are extremists in Syria, obviously, but the demographics of Syria are similar to that of Egypt. The problems are also very similar with too many students not having a future with too few jobs. The culture is significantly more moderate than some of the countries south of it on the peninsula.

While at the start of the uprising, most of my family in Syria wanted life to continue without adding any more hardships, the government has worked hard convincing them to support the revolution. We have our own issues with the ba'ath regime. When the party came to power, my grandfather worked as the deputy minister of interior. They began to "remove" people in the government associated with rival parties. Then they began to "remove" people that were not associated with any party, including my grandfather. He found out he was on a hit list, and that night, he packed up his things, and left for France. He began working with UNESCO and traveled the middle east teaching until it all blew over. It was a long time before they forgot about it and he was able to return safely. He was able to retire and live out the last of his days in his home town of Damascus a few blocks down the road from one of the residences of the president. He was lucky enough to outlive the Bashar's father. My father had a run in one day with Majd, the current president's younger brother. Some road rage eventually took it off the road and turned into a giant argument, and then the secret police surrounded him. I'm still not sure how he managed to get out of that situation, but had he not, I would not be here today...

So anyhow, I'm upset to see violence, I'm upset knowing there's bound to be a lot more, but I'm happy to see that eventually it end.

I'm supposed to visit my mother this summer and finally introduce my wife in person to her after 7 years of not seeing her. We are supposed to spend a while in our family villa on the outskirts of Damascus in a town called Zabadani.

Cool thing about Zabadani, its now known as the "Free town of Zabadani" because the rebels were able to hold back the Army. I'm happy for them, this is some of the best news in a while for the town. Its mostly a small agricultural town where people of Damascus flock to in the summer to avoid the 100+ degree heat while enjoying cool breezes, surrounded by trees, with a much fairer 60-70 degree setting. I attached a small snapshot I took years ago below.

Right now, the neighboring countries are looking at doubling the observers on the ground and extending their mission another month. This will accomplish nothing. I'll be honest, Arab politicians are great about sitting on their asses and waiting for things to solve themselves. But the movement keeps going and lives keep getting lost.

So my mother currently lives in the capital, my paternal grandmother, so do 2 uncles, 4 aunts, several cousins, and a good part of my extended family. If things get worse, my status on here might change.

So what I intend to do with this post is to just try to update it with news stories relating to the movement.
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screw being able to get syrian products,as much as i want a nour i really hope this situation works out the best for you and your family. thank you, as we don't really hear to much about these stories living in the states, and forget how wonderful it is to have the system of government we have, having no instabilities aside from the tea party and wallstreet occupiers(which are far from having to get a rebel force to fight a tyrannical government). i truly hope everything works out for the best for you and your family, not just as a fellow hp'er, but as a human being.
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I find this very interesting. Keep em coming.
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Thank you so much for sharing that. Adds a perspective we don't often get.
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This is actually covered a lot in the UK. As are many other world issues. I think there is a big difference between the American media and the media in England in terms of what gets covered.

There was a documentary about the abductions and torture of protestors by the Syrian secret police produced by Channel 4 in England. Channel 4 produce a lot of these kinds of documentary's.

I don't think you can actually see it online anymore but here is a link to an article about it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...nce?CMP=twt_gu

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This is actually covered a lot in the UK. As are many other world issues. I think there is a big difference between the American media and the media in England in terms of what gets covered.

There was a documentary about the abductions and torture of protestors by the Syrian secret police produced by Channel 4 in England. Channel 4 produce a lot of these kinds of documentary's.

I don't think you can actually see it online anymore but here is a link to an article about it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...nce?CMP=twt_gu
thanks, I'll have to check this out when I get home.

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update,

I actually managed to find a link to the investigation docu. It is not available on the channel 4 website but I found it via dailymotion so the quality is not perfect but its fine to watch.

I must warn though it does contain distrubing images and footage, but I really beleive people need to be aware and not ignorant of the horrors that happen across the world.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xna...-channel4_news
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As to the fellow that starts this topic as well as his family I wish them best that I can. Still I must say much that disagrees strongly with what is said but do in hope that he is not angery with me but think to instead what is said below.
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“There is a community that likes the Assad regime in place, fearing what else might replace it; fearing another Iran.”

The “community” you speak of represents 55% of the Syrian people according to recent YouGov Siraj internet survey on Syria Al-Jazeera's Doha Debates, which are funded by the Qatar Foundation. (See: http://www.thedohadebates.com/news/i...ex.asp?n=14312 ) When I stop to see the Qatari government is an American/Israeli puppet and Al-Jazeera is a mouthpiece for the Qatari government safe it is to say that survey may be less then accurate in it’s portrayal of popular support for a government it’s paymaster wants to destroy and support for ba'athist may be even stronger. Think do you that the Qatari state’s implacable hatred of Arab states that refuse to serve it’s masters in Tel Aviv/London/D.C. explains why it helped with the conquest of Libya
( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...rebels-support & http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/20...7gmni6lbqkmt07 ) Even still, Al-Jazeera admits in the most tortured way that most Syrians support the Ba’athist state while throwing up irrelevant comments about what people outside Syria think .

As to what Syrian fear I say you should think of getting hit with 26000 NATO sorties
( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...26000-missions ) destroying country so a coalition of Salafists and criminals get to run a client state for the U.S./Israel as seen here: http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...naked-neo.html , http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-6266636.html ). Maybe the prospect of colonialism doesn’t appeal to as many Syrians as some here think even if not consciously? I say Syrians know that they are marked for conquest and so to should all else. Could it be that living like Iranians is less on the mind of Syrians then becoming a colony like Libya? Could it be that having Libyan “freedom fighters” coming over the border from Turkey ( see: http://rt.com/news/libya-syria-fighters-smuggled-475/ ) is a bit more worrisome then what some Mullah in Tehran may wish? Iranian Mullahs are not behind Syrian problems but Zionists are.

As to you and your family I obviously can’t say anything but clearly you oppose Ba’athist regime. Clearly you seem to favor Libyan Salafists converting Syria to just another Arab colony of Tel Aviv/D.C./London since the “Syrian Free Army” you praise is run by Libyans working killing Arabs for the benefit of their Zionist masters which I think is what is important here.
( see: http://www.voltairenet.org/Free-Syri...y-commanded-by ) You support people re-colonizing Syria since the SFA is nothing but a proxy of the Zionist powers ( see: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28529 ). Undeniable it is that the violence in Syria is orchestrated by the Zionist powers which can be seen here: http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...ctly-with.html & http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=XNzSmIdr3JY

As you may not know of these things (they are not well reported) I will not make any conclusions about how or why you come to say as you do. To give to you benefit of consideration best are approached with good will and no malice.

Oh, you mention free trade benefitting Syria yet fail to mention that the problems of the Syrian economy might have something to do with embargoes imposed by pro-Zionist states for the express purpose of wrecking the Syrian economy
( see: http://www.intifada-palestine.com/20...he-real-loser/ ). Perhaps Syrian exports of narghiles and everything else would be better if the Zionist powers were not intent on destroying the Ba’athist regime? Safe is bet when the coalition of thugs and Salafists take Syria that free trade will do for Syria what it’s done for the U.S. which is to say destroy local manufacturing and help enrich Wall Street. Given that American style capitalist plunder hasn’t worked out so well for Americans lately I am not thrilled with idea of it being forced at gunpoint on Syria.

Good write up what is happening in Syria are:

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...lement-of.html
http://endthelie.com/2012/01/18/the-...ebacle-part-i/ & http://endthelie.com/2012/01/20/the-...bacle-part-ii/
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As to the fellow that starts this topic as well as his family I wish them best that I can. Still I must say much that disagrees strongly with what is said but do in hope that he is not angery with me but think to instead what is said below.
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“There is a community that likes the Assad regime in place, fearing what else might replace it; fearing another Iran.”

The “community” you speak of represents 55% of the Syrian people according to recent YouGov Siraj internet survey on Syria Al-Jazeera's Doha Debates, which are funded by the Qatar Foundation. (See: http://www.thedohadebates.com/news/i...ex.asp?n=14312 ) When I stop to see the Qatari government is an American/Israeli puppet and Al-Jazeera is a mouthpiece for the Qatari government safe it is to say that survey may be less then accurate in it’s portrayal of popular support for a government it’s paymaster wants to destroy and support for ba'athist may be even stronger. Think do you that the Qatari state’s implacable hatred of Arab states that refuse to serve it’s masters in Tel Aviv/London/D.C. explains why it helped with the conquest of Libya
( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...rebels-support & http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/20...7gmni6lbqkmt07 ) Even still, Al-Jazeera admits in the most tortured way that most Syrians support the Ba’athist state while throwing up irrelevant comments about what people outside Syria think .

As to what Syrian fear I say you should think of getting hit with 26000 NATO sorties
( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...26000-missions ) destroying country so a coalition of Salafists and criminals get to run a client state for the U.S./Israel as seen here: http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...naked-neo.html , http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-6266636.html ). Maybe the prospect of colonialism doesn’t appeal to as many Syrians as some here think even if not consciously? I say Syrians know that they are marked for conquest and so to should all else. Could it be that living like Iranians is less on the mind of Syrians then becoming a colony like Libya? Could it be that having Libyan “freedom fighters” coming over the border from Turkey ( see: http://rt.com/news/libya-syria-fighters-smuggled-475/ ) is a bit more worrisome then what some Mullah in Tehran may wish? Iranian Mullahs are not behind Syrian problems but Zionists are.

As to you and your family I obviously can’t say anything but clearly you oppose Ba’athist regime. Clearly you seem to favor Libyan Salafists converting Syria to just another Arab colony of Tel Aviv/D.C./London since the “Syrian Free Army” you praise is run by Libyans working killing Arabs for the benefit of their Zionist masters which I think is what is important here.
( see: http://www.voltairenet.org/Free-Syri...y-commanded-by ) You support people re-colonizing Syria since the SFA is nothing but a proxy of the Zionist powers ( see: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28529 ). Undeniable it is that the violence in Syria is orchestrated by the Zionist powers which can be seen here: http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...ctly-with.html & http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=XNzSmIdr3JY

As you may not know of these things (they are not well reported) I will not make any conclusions about how or why you come to say as you do. To give to you benefit of consideration best are approached with good will and no malice.

Oh, you mention free trade benefitting Syria yet fail to mention that the problems of the Syrian economy might have something to do with embargoes imposed by pro-Zionist states for the express purpose of wrecking the Syrian economy
( see: http://www.intifada-palestine.com/20...he-real-loser/ ). Perhaps Syrian exports of narghiles and everything else would be better if the Zionist powers were not intent on destroying the Ba’athist regime? Safe is bet when the coalition of thugs and Salafists take Syria that free trade will do for Syria what it’s done for the U.S. which is to say destroy local manufacturing and help enrich Wall Street. Given that American style capitalist plunder hasn’t worked out so well for Americans lately I am not thrilled with idea of it being forced at gunpoint on Syria.

Good write up what is happening in Syria are:

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...lement-of.html
http://endthelie.com/2012/01/18/the-...ebacle-part-i/ & http://endthelie.com/2012/01/20/the-...bacle-part-ii/
I'm honestly too busy to answer this entire post more in depth than I will below, so I'll address your points, I'm also not using a computer so this makes it a tad more difficult.

Point 1) I was speaking directly about western desires of the Syrian regime. You bring up good points, and points I've made before. That most of this "spring" is happening outside the top 2 populated cities in Syria that have the majority of the population. That being said, the tensions are mounting and the violence is getting closer. Zabadani is a short drive from Damascus after all. My family shared most of the same sentiments as others, keep the regime in place for fear of what may come....but again, recent happenings have changed them from being annoyed by the spring to actually desiring it to be successful.

Point 2) that NATO strikes are an option, but then again, it's not the exact same demographic as Libya. Salafists existed in all the other Arab states in the spring, and while all had bloodshed, nothing compared to Libya. I'm not saying its impossible, but I don't like the idea of maintaining corruption just because Libya might happen.

Point 3) This one I find a problem with, and honestly on the level of the claims that Shakespeare was really an Arab called sheikh zubair. Zabadani isn't being run by Libyans, nor are they the only ones fighting there if they make up a large enough segment at all. I spoke specifically of Zabadani. I have no implied or stated allegiances to anything you mentioned there. And honestly I found that little portion somehow outside the confines of civil discourse.

Point 4) I started with the embargo actually, although I admit I used it as a segway into caring about the issue at hand.

Now before you continue making some very bold statements about what I believe or support, let me go ahead and tell you.

I support a regime change.
I am for peaceful exchange of power.
I do not support a Salafist government in Syria
I am against the cronyism that runs almost all affairs of state in Syria
I am against the hoarding of national wealth by the Assad family
I am against the legal system in Syria
I am against the inflated Inefficient bureaucratic machine that mirrors that of Greece
I am against the sanctions
I am also heavily against the tariffs by the government on items the government just doesn't create or create well
With the removal of High tariffs and sanctions, I'm for investing in restoring the natural beauty of the country, cleaning the watersheds, investing in catalytic converters, reducing smog, etc. the damascene sky at night should not have a greenish hue.
I am against the focal points of power solely belonging to alawites
I am for the government the Baathists pretend to have
I'm for legitimate elections
I'm for non essentially life terms for public offices.
I'm for the reinvestment of oil, textile, agricultural, pharmaceutical wealth into building a stronger infrastructure
I am for the return of the Goan heights per at least 2 UN resolutions I can think of.
I am against the incessant human rights violations and foreign policies of Israel
I do not blame all Jews for Israel's policies nor do I hate people of the faith (just in case someone read that wrong)

As you can see, it's within the government's ability to do this, they just won't.
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To point one: Tensions are mounting because proxy terrorists armed and trained by Zionist forces are waging war. Details quite extensive are given that the revolution is bought, paid for and owned by Zionists. That is reality and if they succeed fates of Libyans is Syria future. I do not like colonialism and think Syrians deserve better but you do not condemn those that wish to destroy Syrian nation which to me is problematic although I assume that for you motivations are very good.

I point out that the Syrian people support the National Progressive Front and the eight parties in it more then they do Zionist proxies as that is too obvious to deny. Yet true point to be made is that right now the question is should Syrians decide what happens in Syria or should imperialists from else where do so. Those that support the likes of Belhaj support re-colonizing of Syria even if they are unknowing in so doing. If change violent or peaceful comes to Syria I have no problem if it represents Syrian peoples rather then proxies owned by people that hate Arabs.

Looking to point two: NATO airstrikes are not to be an option as both Russia and China have said such will be act of war against them. The UN Security Council will not be approving such which is good as region wide is inevitable in such instance. Shown as it has that the armed opposition is controlled by Salafists the reality is that it is they who will run Syria should the Ba'athist led coalition be overthrown by the Zionists.

3) Aldel Hakim Belhaj, historic leader of Al Qaeda in Libya, and would be Military Governor of Tripoli is chief of the Free Syrian Army and Mahdi al-Harati, commander of the Tripoli Brigade, resigned from his functions as deputy chief of the Military Council in Tripoli to oversee the Free Syrian Army so that truth and the truth of who arms and trains these people proves my saying they are proxies. So to say that I do not know who runs Zabadani is true but it is true to say that if SFA runs as they claim it is on behalf of foreign masters.

As to what you support for Syria I will say of the charges you make they are undoubtedly true to degrees that vary. Trade sanctions are economic war against the Syrian people and yet you do not mention opposition to it which concerns to me. If the SFA takes Syria it will be looted as Libya was. That such is obvious given the forces involved is not reasonable to object to.

I will also note that most Syrians prefer the current regime to the Zionist mercenaries that are trying take the country. I am opposed to expansion of colonialism and resulting of that that I find Zionist mercenaries a greater evil.
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I did not condemn nor voice my support for foreign influence, I guess I should.
I'm not a fan of foreign or extremist attempts to disrupt the nation, I'm hoping for something no worse than what happened in Egypt, preferably, a government and constituion ready to take over once Bashar steps down peacefully. That's what I hope for, not what I expect to happen, honestly I do not know what to expect.

I see you are upset at the reasons behind the start of the revolt. I'm not dismissing your beliefs. We actualy have similarities in our conceptual geographies its just that I'm being a hopeful for a bettering of the nation given the circumstances. While I like many of the aspects of Aflaq's work used as the basis of the baath party, I do not care for his entire body of work or how it was implemented into the government. I am highly influenced and biased in my views because I take what I get from family and history and apply that frame of understanding to the news. But I have some personal experiences as well.

I do believe foreign powers are largely responsible for the state of the nation, but I believe a positive regime change could improve the country.

Jobs still need to be created, investments in the economy still need to be made, the current administration isnt doing much to do so, even though many were hopeful at the beginning of his presidential career.
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Cynicism is not something to which I like to engage but looking to Egypt it is clear that is all one can do other then too fool myself. Mubarak was always a tool of the military and the "revolution" simply removed Mubarak as chief administer of military power back to a junta. Obvious it is that the plan was to use Zionist NGOs to instal a regime even more compliant then what existed yet the end was no real change. Such non-events happened in several places and together they are termed "Arab Spring".

With Syria we see a great effort by colonizers to make the sole secular state of the Arab world another client state. Clearly doing so peacefully is not possible and such is never intended. Glad I am to say that this conspiracy is not working well in Syria.

As to Ba'athism I have some sympathy in that I know many people that promote it and they are well worked in what they say. I did meet Ahmed Choutri a while back and liked to talk to him and used to have some written stuff by Tayed Rafi which is very careful in argument and I read some Assem Qanso texts which is agreeable in part. Much merit is to be found in what Salah ad-Din al-Bitar said and did. Likewise I prefer Bashar to his father as to the latter I find economics too statist. Still, in the end Ba'athism does not sit well with me as too economics I am more syndicalist rather then statist. Ultimately, I must say my centre thought is self determination no matter if it be something that I like which is why I see Zionist mercenaries as least good.

Still, it should be said that I find much to agree with what said most recently so it seems that our differences are less then what I used to think.
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The really big issue here is that Syria is simply a stepping stone to enable an invasion of Iran. From what I can tell it seems that the U.S./Israeli proxies aren't able to military do much that matters militarily despite massive assistance in terms of cash/arms/manpower and since Russia and China won't allow an invasion of Syria what will happen is that the plight of the Syrian people will sink into misery unless the the rebellion is crushed.

All of this is part of the U.S./E.U./Israel effort to provoke an all out war with Iran. The assassinations Iranian scientists has made it into the news alot lately and the continued U.S. support of Jundallah (an Iranian group seeking to overthrow the government which is allied with Al Qaeda) has been going on for years with no success in weakening the Iranian which has resulted in the recent massive U.S./NATO build up on Iran's borders and constant threats of an immanent attack. It's also known that Syria and Iran have a mutual defense treaty and efforts to get Syria into a war are designed to provide an excuse to attack Iran.

Lastly the U.S./E.U. have just imposed extreme oil and banking sanctions designed for the express purpose of trashing the Iranian economy. The impact upon the economies of Europe and the U.S. will be dramatically bad but then what happens to the likes of you and I simply doesn't matter.

The good news (for Iran) is that China, Russia, Japan, India, South Korea and Pakistan will ignore the embargo and have decided to create something called "The Dollar Exclusion Zone" and trade for oil in other currencies for oil which is really bad news for the American economy.

The biggest thing of of all is that war with Iran is inevitable at this point since the sanctions simply can't work and the U.S./E.U. seems to be getting ready to invade. The bad news for the U.S. is that Russia and China seem likely to enter to enter a war on behalf of Iran. Further bad news (for the U.S./N.A.T.O.) is that Iran has mountains of Shkval super supercavitating torpedoes and will have no problem placing a few aircraft carrier groups on the floor of the Persian Gulf and shutting down the Straights of Hormuz for a while. Once the war gets underway expect your lives to to be disrupted in a major way.

Some info all of this stuff in no particular order but all of it's must reading:

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...sia-china.html

http://www.safehaven.com/article/241...he-petrodollar

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...-security.html

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/...d-russian.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/india-...ct-iran-rupees

I could post a lot more links but this is too long and time is short.

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Update,

Syrian forces have killed at least 200 people and wounded hundreds in a deadly barrage of shelling.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16883911

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My non religious extremist, non political activist, medical college student cousin was arrested for being at the wrong place at the wrong time when protestors formed at his university. The security forces just snatched everyone up left and right while he was just trying to get out of there. No idea on where he is or how he's doing.
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Syrian forces have killed at least 200 people and wounded hundreds in a deadly barrage of shelling.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16883911

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Lets see here, the first line of the article is: "Activists say a massacre has occurred but the government denied attacking, accusing the opposition of propaganda".

So in other words the account of what is happening in Homs has been provided by unnamed "activists" but refuted by the government yet the entire article gives uncritical support to the ""activists" perspective. Could it be that this alleged report is less then even handed?

Activists in this context means people opposed to the government and possibly supporting it's violent overthrow which is to say that the unnamed people that allegedly spoke to the BBC that may or may not be telling the truth but are openly taking sides in the conflict. Being biased is fine but any shocking accusations made by biased parties requires some pretty strong evidence for thinking people to accept account they provide. The evidence about what happened that was presented by the "activists" is what exactly? Oh, there isn't any mentioned in the article which means it must be true I guess?

Moving along we note that: "A BBC correspondent outside Homs says opposition fighters, though outgunned, plan to launch a "general offensive"."

So, according to the BBC there is combat taking place between "opposition fighters" and the government and that the "opposition fighters" are going to launch a "general offensive". Could it be that what ever shelling too place was in the context of the apparent battle happening in Homs? If that is the case then is the hysterical heading about "massacres" possibly somewhat misleading?

Does an article like this actually deserve to be taken seriously?
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My non religious extremist, non political activist, medical college student cousin was arrested for being at the wrong place at the wrong time when protestors formed at his university. The security forces just snatched everyone up left and right while he was just trying to get out of there. No idea on where he is or how he's doing.
jesus, that is scary. i hope that all goes well.
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My non religious extremist, non political activist, medical college student cousin was arrested for being at the wrong place at the wrong time when protestors formed at his university. The security forces just snatched everyone up left and right while he was just trying to get out of there. No idea on where he is or how he's doing.
That is indeed horrible. Certainly I complain about alleged democracies doing things like that and when the Syrian government does it they deserve to be condemned as well. Unfortunately, NATO has stirred up a little war in Syria and things like this are bound to happen.
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Lets see where we are so far....

1) Even a polling organization funded by an openly anti-Ba’athist government admits that the Syrian government has the backing of a majority of the Syrian people. There is no evidence at all that a majority of Syrians favor the SFA.

2) It’s been demonstrated that the SFA is funded, trained and equipped by NATO.

3) It’s been demonstrated that the leadership is dominated by Al Qaeda commanders from Libya.

4) If the SFA takes over then Syria will have a foreign policy dictated by Israel/NATO, an economy controlled by and for the West and a domestic agenda run by Al Qaeda. In short it will end up like Libya.

If anyone is interested in understanding what is happening in Syria read the links already posted. If you'd like to find out about the recent bombings in Syria undertaken by "democratic activists" see: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28361

A little bit more about the peace loving activists and who backs them can be seen here: http://www.henrymakow.com/rothschild...dermine_a.html

The single best treatment on the reality in Syria and full report by the NATO client states called "The Arab League" can be found here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html If you choose not read that article you are actively disinterested in what is happening in Syria.
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The American Embassy in Syria decided to post satellite shots on facebook to the deniers of the Homs massacre.



You can argue whether or not you feel its doctored, but after Hama in 82, I lack blind faith in the Syrian government just because groups I disagree with would also like to see it fall. I wonder why of all ways to show support of a legitimate regime, the Kuznetsof was sent in...
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A satelite photo showing that fighting is taking place is not the same thing as a photo showing massacres have taken place or who did them. How does a satelite photo show legitimacy of anything? It does not. It shows a battle taking place and nothing else. What has been posted here shows the FSA to a client force serving foreigners and that truth gives context to photos. Personal opinion of mine is not pro-Ba'athist for many reasons but I find them less evil the the colonialists they are fighting.
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Regarding the alleged satellite image I think that scepticism is in order. Partly it’s because I recall watching Colin Powell tell the U.N. that various satellite images represented non-existent Iraqi nuclear sites and saying with a solemn look on his face that weather balloon inflation trailers were actually mobile bio weapons. The campaign to sell the war Iraq killed roughly a million Iraqis, left a quarter of Iraqis homeless, got a few thousand Americans killed and many more maimed, pissed away a few trillion of your tax dollars and got a sectarian despot installed to run Iraq as an American colony.

That doesn’t strike me as great success and yet we see America supporting a dictatorship in Bahrain and using troops to maintain particularly brutal and corrupt dictatorships in power in both Yemen and Afghanistan. We’ve also seen a coalition of Salfist fanatics, Al Qaeda lunatics, racists and criminals take over a devastated Libya after NATO obliterated that country as part of a “responsibility to protect” heavily armed “civilians” that overthrew a government far more popular then the proxies that replaced it.

Syria is basically the same game plan being run yet again only this time the purpose isn’t just to create another client state ready to serve transnational capital and zionism but to help instigate a war with Iran.

The Homs satellite image was allegedly “leaked” by the G2 organizations that sold the American public on the war on Iraq, Afghanistan , Pakistani, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and now Syria so I have no way of knowing if it portrays what it is alleged to but I do have a reasonable basis for scepticism. Assuming that the satellite image is genuine what it shows is that a large battle is taking place in Homs. Such an image can’t show the conduct of the participants nor establish fault within the conflict. It’s not very informative if it is true is really all that need be said about it.

In other news a new constitution calling for multi-party elections is scheduled to take effect in Syria on 26th which I bet no one here has heard about but you can read about it here: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/1...nd-baath-rule/ A few points worth mentioning is the assumption that elections will result in the defeat of the Ba’athists lacks any hint of support but it has been pointed out opinion polling finds the opposite to be true. Also note that Syria is actually governed by a multi-party coalition called National Progressive Front rather then just the Ba’ath Party. Ignoring those points is simply a way of spinning events to reflect an agenda that is far from benign.

The inane comment “It’s good that the regime at any point talks about reform or fundamental change, but… holding a referendum amid a civil war between the government and its people is unacceptable,” by Paul Salem of the Carnegie Middle East Centre is instructive of actively avoiding even the pretense of objectivity yet Americans are so passive and uncritical that the implications of that comment won’t be noticed let alone challenged by most readers is virtually assured. It need be stated again that the war isn’t a civil one but rather a war of a state against a proxy army that is trained, funded and equipped by NATO in an attemp t o establish another client state in the region and make invading Iran easier. Paul Salem doesn’t think that providing a new constitution in the middle of a foreign instigated war is a good idea but fails to say what would be a sound course of action. Given that he’s an establishment lap dog towing the party line I suppose that the only acceptable course of action is the immediate surrender of the Syrian state and it’s transformation into a client state. What irks me is that some policy wonk can make such inane pronouncements and not get called on it because the American government and media establishment is infinitely sanctimonious and hypocritical.

Lastly, a report commissioned (but suppressed) by the Arab League provides an extensive and independent refutation to the imperialist party line pushed by the Western media and NATO client states in the region. If you’d like to actually be informed about what is happening in Syria then read: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...aggerated.html
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It looks like my skepticism about the Homs satellite images released by the former American Ambassador to Syria is well founded. I was reading over this after a fellow HP person brought it to my attention:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02...ckery-in-homs/

I'm not up on video interpretation but the case that Sharmine Narwani presents seems pretty convincing. I'd say that calling BS on the Homs satellite images is the most reasonable course of action at this time.
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I think we have different views given influence from different hegemonies. You won't trust that photo fine, but that site also believes that bin laden was a CIA spy that died in 2001, I'm sorry but that isn't just an ideographic lean it's it's just plain crazy.
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You posted a photo issued by the former ambassador to Syria which purports to show that the Syrian Army is shelling Homs. You further asserted that such a photo is proof of massacres being carried out by the Syrian Army and that the Syrian regime lacks legitimacy as a result. The reality is that the photo does nothing of the kind as such an image can't show who initiated the conflict, what ordinance fired from where and by whom nor whom killed whom exactly. If it is an actual image of a battle taking place in Homs it simply shows that a battle is taking place and nothing more. That much is so obvious it shouldn't even need to be stated and honestly I think you realize as much.

The link I provided gave a detailed analysis of the State Department photos by Ms. Narwani which you haven't considered, critiqued or (possibly read) and the same is true of a rather detailed study cited within the article on same subject. Instead, you've taken it for granted that satellite images allegedly taken on February 6, 2012 (though the copyright mark says © 2011 Digital Globe) that were issued by a government openly calling for the destruction of the Syrian state should be accepted at face value as well as making inferences from those images that simply can't supported.

The critiques of State Department seem to me logical and well founded. If they aren't then I have no doubt that some expert in satellite image interpretation would have effortlessly refuted them by now. That hasn't happened and I hope you forgive me for not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

As to Bin Laden it's beyond dispute that he was on the CIA payroll during the '80s but that issue is totally tangential to the matter at hand. I don't know about the site, it's publisher or Bin Laden's history since the '80s and I can't say I care to investigate those matters as they are at best tangential to the matter at hand. What does matter is the evidence leveled against the image you referenced and it's rather curious that you choose to change the topic.
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