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Old May 13th, 2009, 01:57 PM
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Hi i am wondering what is more harmfull 1 bowl of shisha once a week or a packet of sigs once a week?

I do training and I need my lungs to function well.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 02:04 PM
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I don't know what siggarets are, but I do know what a cigarette is, haha just playin.

1 bowl of shisha is better than a pack of cigs. Cigarettes carry a lot more nicotine and a lot more tar. Shisha in most cases has 0.1% tar and 0.01% nicotine.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 02:04 PM
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The difference in harm caused by cigarettes and that by shisha is still inconclusive.

There are many threads floating around on here if you use the "search" button, you may be more likely to find an answer that way. But nothing so far is conclusive.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 02:06 PM
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@ Myka, isn't most shisha eitherl .5% (unwashed) and .05% (washed).

And generally speaking tar is produced during the combustion of any organic material. In shisha's case, you aren't "burning" anything so the tar should be very nearly zero.


Although...I could be delusional...Ive had a lot of finals lately and I m burnt.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 02:36 PM
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What kind of "training" are you doing?

Why wouldn't you just not smoke at all if your training was important to you?
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Old May 13th, 2009, 03:47 PM
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There have been too many topics about this debate.

But i guess, pack of cigs is alot harmful than a single bowl of waterpipe baccy.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 06:22 PM
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Smoking's bad for you, m'kay.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: Hookah vs siggarets

Seconding bradedup. UNwashed tobacco generally contains about .5% nicotine and 0% tar. Washed tobacco has about .05% nicotine and still no tar.

There are no scientific studies ACCURATELY dine to prove it, but logic would tell you hookah is MUCH less harmful to your body than cigarettes. That being said, it is STILL going to mess with your lungs to some degree, so if you are very serious abotu this trainign it would probably be wisest (most wise?) to avoid smoking all together.
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Yea, lately i have been smoking quite a bit, 1-2 bowls a day. I tried running the mile today in school and i just about died. I almost started throwing up and for the next three hours i was coughing up flem. I got home then later and now i feel fine, so its not a cold and hookah is the only thing i can think of that is causing it. I just have to watch myself, perhaps build up a resistance by running more...
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Old May 13th, 2009, 09:21 PM
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The other day someone was telling me that in class (at my uni) they had a guest speak about how shisha tobacco actually has a lot more nicotine than is claimed (by testing in a lab) and it was way more than you would get from cigarettes

I called bullshit... but who knows...
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The other day someone was telling me that in class (at my uni) they had a guest speak about how shisha tobacco actually has a lot more nicotine than is claimed (by testing in a lab) and it was way more than you would get from cigarettes

I called bullshit... but who knows...

The nicotine wont kill you, its all of the other harmful chemicals in the smoke.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 11:32 PM
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Hi i am wondering what is more harmfull 1 bowl of shisha once a week or a packet of sigs once a week?

I do training and I need my lungs to function well.
To be honest the data indicates that a pack of a cigarettes a week is too low a rate of consumption to be concerned about. No one really has any hard evidence about the relative risk factors of narghile use but given given the fact that the tobacco isn't actually burned unless you smoke tombac it seems likely that narghiles are less a health threat then cigarettes.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 11:35 PM
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both are bad for you in some way
sorry to say
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Old May 13th, 2009, 11:38 PM
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The nicotine wont kill you, its all of the other harmful chemicals in the smoke.

ehh..nicotine is linked to cardiovascular diseases....so yes it will

but so will fast food, red 5, and the sun....so meh.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 11:46 PM
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The other day someone was telling me that in class (at my uni) they had a guest speak about how shisha tobacco actually has a lot more nicotine than is claimed (by testing in a lab) and it was way more than you would get from cigarettes

I called bullshit... but who knows...
Utter bullshit. The vast majority of moassel smoked in the Western world is washed and has almost no nicotine. If you smoke unwashed moassel or jurak the levels of nicotine run from about the same as cigarettes to about twice as much but since the tobacco is not burned most of the nicotine is not injested although the quantity used in a session is larger so theoretically you can get much higher nicotine expossure with a narghile. However, since smoking should be about taste and the stronger stuff is best enjoyed by treating it like an expensive cigar the vast majority of nicotine is easily avoided by not inhaling which is what I do.

In the end, nicotine is not what you need to worry since nicotine itself is not carinogenic. Instead, what you need to worry about when smoking a narghile is the CO content and that isn't an issue if you smoke sensibly.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: Hookah vs siggarets

they are significantly different, so it is hard to compare, especially since no decent studies on hookah exist yet. one bowl a week versus one cig? go with the cig. a bowl versus a pack...then it gets fuzzy. i'll say this though, cigs are much more adictive imho
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Old May 14th, 2009, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: Hookah vs siggarets

I would always go for the bowl of shisha. I think the bowl of shisha is better then the ciggs and it tastes a lot better.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 03:47 AM
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Default Re: Hookah vs siggarets

hmm i use el nahla grape is it washed or what? thank you for all your answers
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Old May 14th, 2009, 09:59 AM
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nakhla is not washed ( except the el basha line if I recall correct ) .. But about the exercise issue..
I trained very hard a while ago while smoking at least 2 hookahs a day.. its still to much to recommend but I can tell you I had a very good stamina.. I'd say one of the best in my group of 20 persons.. and Ive been smoking 2 bowls a day for at least 2 years
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Old May 14th, 2009, 12:45 PM
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just looking at the exposure of your lungs to smoke..
1 bowl of shisha = approx. 1+ hour
1 pack of (20) cigarettes = approx. 1.5 hours (if you smoke a cigarette between 4-5 mins)

so by looking at the duration that your lungs are exposed to smoke both should be around the same.

the more accurate way is probably looking at weight of tobacco you smoke (grams of tobacco in a pack/grams of tobacco in a bowl)

Smoking Hookah is More Harmful Than Cigarette
"hookah smokers inhale more often and for longer periods than typical cigarette smokers"
Published by Harvard Mental Health Letter
http://www.medindia.net/news/Smoking...dy-33667-1.htm

Hookah Smoking as Tough on Lungs as Cigarettes
"Study finds one-hour session produces as much carbon monoxide as a pack of smokes"
- the study only looked at CO, but it shows its really not that much better
http://health.usnews.com/usnews/heal...cigarettes.htm

Pipes and Hookahs Pose Same Risk as Cigars
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessati...e-risks-cigars

Smoking hookah/cigarettes is bad for your health period but, we all made this choice to smoke so we just gotta deal with it.

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Old May 14th, 2009, 12:47 PM
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that doesnt sound like a good way of counting according to me.. you cant just compare hookah to ciggs just by looking at smoke duration or weight.. again according to me...
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Old May 14th, 2009, 01:02 PM
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I think "siggarets" are very harmful to ur health given the way you spell them !
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Old May 14th, 2009, 01:03 PM
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it is basically impossible to compare the 2 since they are so different. however the most reliable studies say about 1 hour of hookah is about one cig.

honestly though any time i compare it for my self, if i smoke any cigs the next day i feel worse than after i smoke 2-3 bowls of hookah and hookah have all of 4-5 ingredients instead of the 100s in cigs so to me hookah seems much better

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just looking at the exposure of your lungs to smoke..
1 bowl of shisha = approx. 1+ hour
1 pack of (20) cigarettes = approx. 1.5 hours (if you smoke a cigarette between 4-5 mins)

so by looking at the duration that your lungs are exposed to smoke both should be around the same.

the more accurate way is probably looking at weight of tobacco you smoke (grams of tobacco in a pack/grams of tobacco in a bowl)
can't really do it by weight...because when u smoke shisha the tobacco isn't consumed in the process whereas with cigarettes it is. IE your shisha bowl is still full when you are done smoking but your cigarette no existe.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 03:24 PM
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There was some testing here in Germany.
A normal clay bowl, 10 grams of tobacco (probably Nakhla two apple) and one layer of pre-cut foil with pre-poked holes. They used self-lighting charcoals.
The result was: one hookah equals 1-2 ciggs. And the worst thing you're inhaling is CO, probably because of the charcoal. It would be interesting, how it'd be with natural charcoals.
But smoking is unhealthy anyways.
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