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Old May 24th, 2009, 04:04 PM
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Hey guys,
so i have a problem (if u can call it that way).

Mostly at the last end (30 - 60 min) of the session i get this wierd unbearable taste,
i would describe it like the taste of ash. Sometimes im 30 minutes in the session and the taste comes.

Very hard on your throath, cant smoke after the taste comes.

So, im using KM, Tangiers Phunnel Bowl, 3 rows of holes,
CH coals.Ice on the base.

Maybe the ash falls through the holes and up the hose ?

Anyone experiencing the same ?
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Old May 24th, 2009, 04:09 PM
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would have to be there
but could be overpack ... over heating... to tight of a pack.. coals not enough on the rim.. and using Ch coals that ash alot

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Old May 24th, 2009, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: Wierd taste

i tend to get a light ashy taste if i don't blow the ash off the bowl every time i knock the ash off my coals.

usually at the 45 minute mark you need to take off heat. that could be it. is it burning or does it just taste bad?

edit: maybe the ash is falling down the hole (phunnel bowl) or holes (vortex/standard clay) and it's getting into the water, cauing it to taste like shit.

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Old May 24th, 2009, 04:19 PM
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just blow the ash away every 15 minutes
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Old May 24th, 2009, 04:30 PM
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i tend to get a light ashy taste if i don't blow the ash off the bowl every time i knock the ash off my coals.

usually at the 45 minute mark you need to take off heat. that could be it. is it burning or does it just taste bad?

edit: maybe the ash is falling down the hole (phunnel bowl) or holes (vortex/standard clay) and it's getting into the water, cauing it to taste like shit.
It isnt burning, it just tastes like crap.
And the water has usually quite alot of ash in it.
So yeah, that could be the prob.
And i blow the ash of the bowl when i ash the coals.

Btw, im pushing the needle straight to the bottom of the bowl while i make the holes.
But now, any suggestion how to not get the water ashed ?
Make the holes further away from the center hole of my the phunnel ?

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Old May 24th, 2009, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: Wierd taste

uh, smaller holes maybe?

you shouldnt have ash in your water
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Old May 24th, 2009, 05:15 PM
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you shouldnt have ash in your water
+1

i get ash on top of the stem a bit and all over the tobacco but nothing really noticeable in the water

what tobacco are you using, how are you packing it?

make sure out coals are near the out side of the bowl and keep the holes away from the hole in the middle, i honestly have a large area in the middle of no holes on my phunnels (probably 1/3-1/2 of the diameter, closer to 1/3 i think)

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Old May 24th, 2009, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: Wierd taste

^I agree what tobacco and what size phunnel?

I use 4 rows of holes on my medium and 3-4 coals with nakhla and Im set for a while.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 06:46 PM
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why hansn't anybody mention a scalli mod yet? Its the obvious best solution ? doesnt have to be a scalli mod, there are some homemade stuff u can make as well Im sure..
it will first of all make the fouil not get sucked down and causing airtflow to be bad sometimes.. also preventing coals from moving ( mine never move ) and also no ash in water, and also using less shisha but getting the exact same results, and also gives alittle more space between coal and shisha which is always good, and not to forget the theory ( might be right might be wrong ) about the heat forcing to travel through the shisha instead of just directly into the stem... Some say this is important some say not.. To be honest I would not smoke whitout a scalli mod cause I feel there is no reason to skip it..
So I cant even compare with/without mod but with mod is excellent at least i can tell u that!
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Old May 24th, 2009, 06:52 PM
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you cant really use the scali mod with tangiers nour

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Old May 24th, 2009, 06:55 PM
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you cant really use the scali mod with tangiers nour

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wait.. what .. ?
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Old May 24th, 2009, 07:03 PM
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wait.. what .. ?
with packing it correctly according to eric you shouldnt use it and second if you do pack it as tight as he says you should it will be to hard to pull air through easily

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Old May 24th, 2009, 07:20 PM
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I pack it very hard when smoking nakhla and no its not a problem at all to pull from that..
And I dont know what according to Eric but according to me there are several advantages if using a mod and it would defenitly be helping spillers problem.. so why disregard it because Eric said it would work without..?
I say try using a mod spiller and see how it goes...
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Old May 24th, 2009, 07:29 PM
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I pack it very hard when smoking nakhla and no its not a problem at all to pull from that..
And I dont know what according to Eric but according to me there are several advantages if using a mod and it would defenitly be helping spillers problem.. so why disregard it because Eric said it would work without..?
I say try using a mod spiller and see how it goes...
with tangiers i just went with erics recommendations since its a weird tobacco. personally im not a huge fan of the mod, ive had issues with it and had it be a pain to clean along with not seeing much advantages in my uses but maybe i will give it another go.

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With tangiers tobaco I have no experience at all.. But I concider that spiller smoked tangiers with it.. but wath Ive heard is that the mod isnt good for tangiers..
But about the scalli mod. I never really clean mine.. its black.. but what does it matther? To be honest I dont clean my bowl either.. I dont see a point to it..
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Old May 24th, 2009, 08:11 PM
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With tangiers tobaco I have no experience at all.. But I concider that spiller smoked tangiers with it.. but wath Ive heard is that the mod isnt good for tangiers..
But about the scalli mod. I never really clean mine.. its black.. but what does it matther? To be honest I dont clean my bowl either.. I dont see a point to it..
i clean my bowl always because i dont want flavors to cross over, same as i clean my hookah every session.

tangiers tobacco is a totally different beast with the methods of packing, not necessarily harder just basically opposite from normal tobacco

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Old May 24th, 2009, 11:34 PM
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Im smoking nakhla (mizo mainly) and PL, i use a needle for the holes so they are pretty small.

The packing changes everytime, the ash in the base does not.
Usually i sprinkle the baccy in the bowl and push down a little, so it would be just below the rim.
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well, ash more often, and make sure to do it on the ashtray, sweep or blow of the other ash. I occasionally use a CO2 powered airsoft pistol...never use it w/ the coals on
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if your poking a hole in the middle it might be that your getting ash down the middle
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well, ash more often, and make sure to do it on the ashtray, sweep or blow of the other ash. I occasionally use a CO2 powered airsoft pistol...never use it w/ the coals on
wow, thats lazy, i mean im all for playing with compressed gasses normally but that is a bit past my limit i think

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Old May 25th, 2009, 11:17 AM
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well, ash more often, and make sure to do it on the ashtray, sweep or blow of the other ash. I occasionally use a CO2 powered airsoft pistol...never use it w/ the coals on
Lol PL now I know why you set fire to stuff.


Ash in the water can only be from going down the center as a Phunnel bowl has no other holes try a Mod or don't make a hole in the center.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 02:11 PM
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Btw, im not making a hole in the center.
Last 2 sessions have been ash-in-the-base free, dunno what i did different then.

And i ashed only once during the whole session, previously when i had ash in the base, i ashed 3-4 times.
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when i smoke i don't ever put holes above the center, and when i use CH QLs i never ash the coals, i literally just let it sit there the entire session and it works. also, packing tobacco tight does not affect smoke performance, that is what i do with literally every tobacco i smoke and it works perfectly (almost) every time
but...that's just how i roll, everyone has their own methods
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Old May 25th, 2009, 03:23 PM
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i bet it's your coals. i went camping last night and i ran out of my beloved CH quick-lights so i had to use some cheap dollar store quicklights or something. the taste was really noticeable when i didn't ash the coals for 10 minutes.
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CH nats ash verymuch if I remember right.. but the QL are really solid even after they're done.. its like exoticas..
anyway..

Matt: Flavours do not cross over because you have som burnt molasses left on the scalli mod .. noir in the bowl.. I promise you man.. theres no way... and Im not talking about big chunks of tobacco left on the scalli.. Im just talking about like a bit of molasses that has burnt on the mod making it black u know.. like water does the same thing if you get water on the stove and it goe near heat, it will burn and become black spots but that does not change taste of anything..
But molasses going through the bowl and down the stem will probably yes!

but comeon cleaning the bowl and mods fanatically everytime after smoke.. thats some overtime unnecessary stuff... its like cleaning the underside of your shoes each time you have been out walking or going out again..
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