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Old July 10th, 2009, 03:55 PM
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If you try it you may also want to use a piece of gauze to be the medium, because napkins arn't exactly the best with air flow... just a thought
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Old July 10th, 2009, 04:27 PM
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Unfortunately, this is false. The 'burning' of the tobacco the studies refer to is simply the combustion process, or the normal process of generating smoke in a hookah. It is not the hookah aficionado's definition of 'burning' the shisha, which is overheating the tobacco to the point of charring it. Even herbal shisha produces tar when it is combusted. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. The 0% tar on shisha packages refers to the amount of tar BEFORE smoking, not the total that is produced during the session.

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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/87463.php
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19
huh, i never knew that. but from your sources it sounds like the "tar" created is substantially less hazardous then tar from a cigarette.

i took a quote from one of your sources:

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The hazards of tar, and particularly its carcinogenicity are directly related to the working temperatures whereby not only combustion and pyrolysis are involved, as a WHO report states, but also distillation, as emphasised by Baker et al [21,56]. This is particularly true in the case of shisha smoking where the temperatures of the tobacco-molasses mixture in the bowl does not go in excess of 150C, allowing a chemical reaction of the Maillard type [27]. Even when using a smoking machine and despite the bias these methods entail, the temperature hardly reaches 200C [34,35]. The more the temperature is elevated, the more carcinogenic the smoke is. In these conditions, hookah tar is qualitatively very different from that produced by cigarettes. Furthermore, in the case of the fashionable shisha (using flavoured molasses tobacco with glycerol), a great portion of the calculated "tar" is expected to be made up of glycerol which has proved not "adversely alter the smoke chemistry or biological effects normally associated with exposure to mainstream cigarette smoke" [57] as in the harm reduction Eclipse cigarette (about 40%).
also, here's my opinion of what i think about hookah's harmful effects...

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ahem..this just in to the cnn health report. there is no way to prevent death. 10 out of 10 people die. the WHO proclaims this incident as a "level 6 epidemic" and in early 2010 every human in the united states will be required to be administered 6 shots per month.

you know, i would love to die from smoking hookah. hookah smoking is my favorite hobby and i would rather die at 60 doing the things i love instead of dying at 110 and have never drank alcohol, never gotten laid, never smoked hookah, never went out into public, never took chances, and never had fun.

i don't give two shits if it's equivalent to smoking 100 packs per session. i love to do it and i will gladly die at any time from doing it. i'm gonna go load up some nakhla DA and enjoy myself.
http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/showthread.php?p=167109
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wow and to think alot of us do both!
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Default Re: Cigarette vs. Hookah Smoke quick "napkin" study

My brother is picking up some micron filters from school and were gonna try this out
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My brother is picking up some micron filters from school and were gonna try this out
sounds great, im sure the filters would work a lot better than a dinner napkin
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My brother is picking up some micron filters from school and were gonna try this out
awsome, are you going to test the inhale? or the exhale?
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huh, i never knew that. but from your sources it sounds like the "tar" created is substantially less hazardous then tar from a cigarette.
Indeed. Although volume differential seemingly balances out the differences of the tar, it is important to note that the composition of the tar is much different. I was trying to communicate that tar is produced no matter how you smoke the shisha. smoke=tar.
It is also important to distinguish between tobacco smoke tar and road tar, as it is a common misconception that smoking tobacco is somehow equivalent to licking the road. The tar you inhale is nowhere near the substance used in road repair. The tar measured in tobacco smoke is a combination of all the particles left over when the tobacco itself is combusted. It surprises me how often this misconception pops up, even in a smoker's community like this.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 11:22 PM
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How do we blow this quote out of the water (or hookah as it where):

"In fact, typical hookah tobacco contains three times the nicotine of one cigarette"

Yes, I hate to say it but that information comes to us thanks to a website by the name of verticalthought.org and can be found in this lovely article, should you choose to be brainwashed:

http://www.verticalthought.org/issue...bblebubble.htm


Let's see, I used to smoke at least a pack a day, or 20 cigs. 1 bowl = 3X cigs. I pack of cigs = apx 7 bowls. I now smoke, on average, 2 bowls a day or the same as 6 cigs. Man I am so not good at math but I think I done did cut my intake by around 75%! Yea me, eat that Marlboro Man. On top of that, what is a "bowl" and what is "typical hookah tobacco"? I smoke 2 quick light coals most of the time than call it good. On the other hand I would smoke a cig till I was burning my lips and tasted filter. Is "typical hookah tobacco" a bowl, 50g, 250g a kilo?

This is starting to sound like it could be bad for us as it is cheaper to do so thus collecting less tax money.

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