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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:17 AM
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so i loaded up my mya vortex with a ridiculous amount of ice, like 20 cubes. and topped up with water.

i started off smoking AF bubblegum which usually is a very strong, hits that spot on your throat kinda flavour. but this time around i was getting minimal flavour and taste, but good smoke.

after 20 mins i got annoyed and switched to the industry standard AF DA. i could taste the DA but it was kind of mild compared to the amount of flavour its capable of.

so my theory, too much ice in the base sucks flavour.
your thoughts?
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:22 AM
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Yup ........ice lessens the flavour...the more you put in the less flavour you get thats why i only put it in sometimes and if i do its only a few pieces
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:25 AM
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the colder it is the less flavor you get
or something like that
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

I've definitely ruined a few sessions with water that was too cold. Cool water is nice. I don't like it warm though. Just a bit cool.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

...ice will numb your taste buds.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

Does this apply also with chillers? Or just the ice in the vase?
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:55 AM
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...ice will numb your taste buds.
So does super spicy food. I've noticed that shisha tastes a lot different if I've eaten a lot of spicy food on days I smoke hookah. Unfortunately, I eat spicy food daily and so I often wonder what flavors I'm missing out on during my sessions!
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

Milk?
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Old August 28th, 2009, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

If you use milk in the bottle make sure you clean out everything super well. Even then, I had some bubble up into the chamber of a cheap Chinese hookah and essentially ruined it. Not worth it.

Ice is a godsend in small amounts. A handful will do ya. We sometimes use more if we're going to be smoking outside (the heat around here melts it in minutes.) but too much ice will kill your sessions. On the other hand, a little bit of ice can do wonders for smoothing out some of the harsher flavors.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 01:33 AM
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Milk?
lol what about it?

some people say it helps thickin up the clouds a bit but i personally dont see the point, i tried it one time didnt see the what the hype was about. just use water, the right amount of heat and some juicy shisha to get optimal flavor
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Old August 28th, 2009, 01:35 AM
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Does this apply also with chillers? Or just the ice in the vase?
The flavor loss is from the cold water in the vase but cold water in the vase cools the smoke much more effectively than any chiller.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 02:22 AM
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lol what about it?

some people say it helps thickin up the clouds a bit but i personally dont see the point, i tried it one time didnt see the what the hype was about. just use water, the right amount of heat and some juicy shisha to get optimal flavor
To sooth his tastebuds...
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Old August 28th, 2009, 05:53 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

yep too much ice will do that, thats why i never use ice unless i know it has a really strong flavour
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Old August 28th, 2009, 06:19 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

id say the same thing that if you put in ice itll usualy give you a good thick smoke but itll cut dwn the flavour from exprience jus put chilld water in the vase and if you want to make it extr cold just get the ice get something long and mix the ice cubes with the water and the water will be freezing thats what i do sometimes so jus an idea that usualy works for me sorry if i confused you a bit but im a bit new so yeah thnx
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Old August 28th, 2009, 08:26 AM
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Default Re: too much ice?

lets get more specific.

is the loss of flavour due to the smoke passing through cold water?
or is it due to the smoke being colder generally?

if the later is true, doesnt this mean chillers or other methods of cooling are useless and counter productive?
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lets get more specific.

is the loss of flavour due to the smoke passing through cold water?
or is it due to the smoke being colder generally?

if the later is true, doesnt this mean chillers or other methods of cooling are useless and counter productive?
There is a lot of discussion on this subject in the forums actually. Regardless of the method the colder the smokes gets the more condensed the vapor becomes. The more condensed it becomes the less flavor will present it's self.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 12:48 PM
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where are the people with chillers and ice torrents when you need them?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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lets get more specific.

is the loss of flavour due to the smoke passing through cold water?
or is it due to the smoke being colder generally?

if the later is true, doesnt this mean chillers or other methods of cooling are useless and counter productive?
The concept is the same with Ice cream. When ice cream is melted it is far sweeter because they over sweeten the icecream so when it is frozen you can actually taste the flavor and sweetness. Cold numbs the taste buds. The flavor has to be super strong for you to really taste it when you use a mass amount of ice.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 07:41 PM
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Too much ice/coldness really really bothers me. My friends thought they were cool, and put the entire hookah minus the bowl in the freezer. Vase completely filled with ice, and then minimal water to fill it, stem, hose, and everything went in the freezer. I tasted nothing from starbuzz, a very very rare occurance. Yeah the smoke was cold, but I might as well have been inhaling air out of my freezer...
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Default Re: too much ice?

COOL WATER

its all you will ever EVER need.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: too much ice?

ya i did that before with nakhla sweet melon, it wasnt fun. i put ice in my KM now but only put enough to get cold water about 5-15 mins in since my "cold" tap is rather warm

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So does super spicy food. I've noticed that shisha tastes a lot different if I've eaten a lot of spicy food on days I smoke hookah. Unfortunately, I eat spicy food daily and so I often wonder what flavors I'm missing out on during my sessions!
haha, so THAT'S my problem... i eat way too much spicy stuff... no wonder i can't taste anything ...
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