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Old September 14th, 2009, 12:25 PM
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I'm extremely new to hookah and a friend and I smoked yesterday. We used a quick lite coal, and neglected to wait until it was fully lit to begin smoking. We used three coals and smoked for about an hour and a half. Later in the day, I developed a headache and was a bit out of it. Today I feel weird and still out of it (possibly due to not being able to sleep the night before), and am wondering if I may have CO poisoning. Could it just be a nicotine buzz, or a hookah headache?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 12:30 PM
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It was probably the coals. Make sure eat a good meal and drink something. It's probably happened to all of us. Might want to invest in better coal though...
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Old September 14th, 2009, 12:40 PM
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It was probably the coals. Make sure eat a good meal and drink something. It's probably happened to all of us. Might want to invest in better coal though...

defo, with quick lites the chemicals can have an affect, and IMO absolutely ruin the flavour.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 12:46 PM
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Yea, you just have a little too much CO loaded on your hemoglobin in your Red Blood Cells. It has a much higher affinity for hemoglobin than oxygen (something like 200 times as much), so it will take a couple days to recover completely. Its was def from the coals. The sickness from nicotine would wear off in a few hours.

I wouldn't suggest smoking until you are in the clear, you need as much oxygen saturation as possible.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 12:52 PM
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would jogging help it go away faster?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 01:01 PM
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No, it will only make you light headed and cramp up quicker. There are really only two things you can do, breath only oxygen, get in a hyperbaric chamber, or in your case, just wait it out.

If you are feeling dizzy and stuff, go to the hospital.

The problem is that when you jog your body is going to extract as much oxygen from your blood and red blood cells as possible to supply your muscles. With that CO loaded on your some of your red blood cells, oxygen can't load to it when you breath and thus isn't in your blood in the amount that it should be. Jogging might just cause you to hyperventilate as your body is trying to get more oxygen, but breathing more won't make a difference b/c the CO has a stronger attraction to your red blood cells than oxygen.

Hyperventilating will just cause you more problems like respiratory alkalosis (your blood becomes too basic in pH).

Basically, don't jog and if you are feeling dizzy go to the hospital. You are feeling a little out of it right now, because there is just slightly less oxygen going to your brain than usual and its not able to function 100%. Don't worry, from what you described you should be fine in a couple days.

Hope that helps!
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Old September 14th, 2009, 01:16 PM
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Crap, well I already went for a jog thinking it may help. Honestly, I did feel a bit better, but I'm still out of it.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 01:21 PM
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Well don't over do it, we usually tell patients to avoid strenuous exercise if they have CO poisioning. Light exercise can slightly improve oxygen delivery to tissues, but that effect plateaus pretty quickly and it won't do anything to unload the CO.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 01:26 PM
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If you eat a footlong from Subway you will feel fine. The honey oat bread demotes bad 'CO2' in your system
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Old September 14th, 2009, 01:30 PM
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If you eat a footlong from Subway you will feel fine. The honey oat bread demotes bad 'CO2' in your system
Well CO2 is different than CO. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a biproduct of respiration and is healthy at certain levels in the blood. Carbon monoxide (CO - from the coals) is a dangerous compound that should never be in your blood.

If you had respiratory alkalosis, honey oat bread might work. Too bad that eating a delicious sub doesn't work for more medical conditions.
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You sir, know your shit
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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:48 PM
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You sir, know your shit
Haha thanks. Its nice to see med school actually contributing to hookah haha
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Old September 14th, 2009, 04:50 PM
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Old September 14th, 2009, 05:39 PM
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lay down, eat bread and you should be fine. I smoke with quick lights alot and sometimes i get headaches like none other
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Old September 14th, 2009, 05:59 PM
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I ended up having to do a bit of research years ago on carbon monoxide poison after having severe symptoms.

Honestly, don't take the symptoms lightly at all. By the time I put two and two together I had been suffering from unexplainable, crippling, headaches. I was having nose bleeds which I had never had a problem with before, dizzyness, light headedness, fatigue etc

Some of what's being said seems to be reflecting sugar levels more-so then carbon monoxide poison. When carbon monoxide enter's the blood, it literally blocks the ability of the red blood cells to carry oxygen. I can't find the exact info I read before, but I was under the impression that co sit's in the bloodstream blocking the cells ability to carry oxygen until the cell's die and are replaced.


Here's a list of symptoms to watch out for according to emedicinehealth :

[LIST][*]Headache[/LIST] [LIST][*]Dizziness[/LIST] [LIST][*]Nausea[/LIST] [LIST][*]Flu-like symptoms, fatigue[/LIST] [LIST][*]Shortness of breath on exertion[/LIST] [LIST][*]Impaired judgment[/LIST] [LIST][*]Chest pain[/LIST] [LIST][*]Confusion[/LIST] [LIST][*]Depression[*]Hallucinations[*]Agitation[*]Vomiting[*]Abdominal pain[*]Drowsiness[*]Visual changes[*]Fainting[*]Seizure[*]Memory and walking problems[/LIST]
The best preventative method is to not chain smoke your hookah obviously. If you're going to insist on smoking in your house, pick up a detector and keep it around. Mine would literally go off during a session almost daily. To be safe, keep windows open and have a way to circulate the air out/in. Smoking outside is the safest option. Also, limit your hookah, don't smoke 5 sessions a day obviously, don't over-lap sessions and do not take carbon monoxide poison lightly.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:14 PM
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OO yep you got the bug. That weird surrealist feeling is awful isn't it?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:21 PM
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Just make sure next time you DO NOT SMOKE until your coals are COMPLETELY red and ready to go. I got many headaches until i figured out that i needed to keep the coals on the burner longer!

Oh and if it still happens, invest in better coals! I havent had problems with well lit Cocos or ******* hookah coals.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:48 PM
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I would also recommend dumping the Ql coals for Nat's.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:52 PM
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OO yep you got the bug. That weird surrealist feeling is awful isn't it?

Yeah, I've felt out of body all day, and it's pretty terrifying. Is that normal?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:53 PM
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Yeah, I've felt out of body all day, and it's pretty terrifying. Is that normal?

Normal for Monoxide OD, yes, but not normal for hookah, at all, or tobacco in general.

The only symptoms you should be scared about are shortness/lack of breath and blacking out.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:57 PM
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Whew, then I'm alright. I'm just angry my first real experience with hookah has to be one of the scariest moments of my life. Hookah is supposed to be relaxing, gosh!
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Old September 14th, 2009, 07:13 PM
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The half life of carboxyhemoglobin in the blood while breathing regular air is 3-4 hours IIRC. While I don't question if it is possible to inhale enough CO from 3 coals to get short term effects, still having them a day later would require a couple hours of exposure to CO levels in the several hundred ppm or constant exposure for prolonged periods of time at low levels.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 07:23 PM
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Wait so what are you saying?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 07:30 PM
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The stuff you felt the next day is unlikely due to the 3 coals. While CO poisoning is a serious deal, it's also very unlikely 3 hookah coals are capable of producing enough CO to threaten your life. It would take more like an hour or two in a small room with a charcoal grill going and poor ventilation.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 07:34 PM
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Well I'm hearing two things here. khalsafauji is saying it'll stay in my body for a few days. Did you bear in mind that the coals weren't completely lit while I was smoking when considering what you said?
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