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Old September 17th, 2009, 01:08 PM
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About a year back I was watching some old films about the Austro-Hungarian military in the first world war. I am interested in that subject since I have an ancestor on my mother's side of the family that fought for the Austro-Hungarians and was a fairly famous ace. As I watched the films I noticed that from time to time you'd see these odd pipes that looked a church warden pipe with a small sphere on the bottom and a metal lid on the top. I also noticed that the same sort of pipes popped up in the The Good Soldier Svekj (also spelled Schweik) films which are comedy films from the '60s about a Czech soldier in Austro-Hungarian military in the first world war.

When I went to Pecs (in Hungary) about 6 months ago on business I tried to find out something about them and I found out that the little sphere on the bottom holds water and and that they work narghile in that the water filters the smoke. Although I talked to a lot people and a few tobacconists I couldn't find out much although it seems that that style of pipe isn't popular any longer although apparently it's still used in the Balkans. I could find out anything about the sort of tobacco used in them. Some people I spoke seemed to think that they are called Lula or Lulava but it could have been a language issue since I was talking to native Hungarians and at times the conversations were tough.

Anyway, I am wondering if anyone knows about these things or if they are the same as the water pipes used in the Balkan countries. Also, in the films people used a coal to heat the tobacco but I couldn't see the tobacco so I have no idea if it's Western pipe tobacco, tombac or moassel that they were smoking. If anyone knows anything be sure to post what you've got.

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Old September 17th, 2009, 01:17 PM
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I did a small amount of research just via Google & didn't find many results.
I wanna keep searching though, definitely interesting.
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Old September 17th, 2009, 01:24 PM
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I'm sorry to say this, but I spent a bit of time trying to google anything I could. Seems the lulava is now a term used for hookahs. What ever it is you're looking for, seems to have been forgotten. Best bet would be to talk to a historian that specializes in that particular era of Hungarian history if no one else can come up with a lead. I'll keep trying since now I'm pretty interested myself.
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Old September 17th, 2009, 01:35 PM
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I don't know if I hit any pay dirt, but here are some links to possibly leads on the pipes.

http://www.antiqueswords.com/bq1116.htm

http://www.the-curiosity-shop.nl/ite...aum-others.htm
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Old September 17th, 2009, 01:37 PM
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The best I could find was a reference to a slide of a picture of one, but the picture was no where to be found. It said something about several wagons of them having to be buried underground because tobacco was outlawed in 1864.
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Old September 17th, 2009, 05:05 PM
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Good comments so far on this mystery.

After a lot talking to the dad of one of the fellows I worked with in Pecs i've concluded that the pipes I mentioned are found throughout the Baltics and parts of Eastern Europa. Apparently they are used with pip tobacco although a variant exists for use with moassel that apparently popped up in the 1880s. Apparently they are used these day in countries that used to make Yugoslavia but beyond that I've not found much.

Do we have anyone from the Balkans at HP? What do the Hungarian posters know about this topic?
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Old September 17th, 2009, 07:34 PM
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That old style of narghile is pretty rare these days.The turks came up with the modern style like you see today during the times of the big silk road trading.
they smoked tombac with only natural royal oak charcoals.
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Hajo been searching some sites and most of them refers to the ball under the pipe stem to trap Moisture from smoking not for cooling the smoke

http://www.the-curiosity-shop.nl/ite.../different.htm

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I believe what you are talking about is a wine pipe.

Did it look like this?

http://vegassmokes.com/pipes/old-world/wine-pipeSM.jpg
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