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Old September 23rd, 2009, 11:12 PM
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Default What am I doing wrong? Khalil Mammoon?

Hey guys,

I was wondering what I'm doing wrong? Since I don't put that much water I, pack the bowl right as you guys have taught me and I use AF shisha and a nammor hose. I also have a diffuser on this KM. I use 1 layer of heavy duty foil and 3 coco nara's I get some good smoke but not insane as a KM does, I do get some heavy smoke till the flavor starts to get to intense and starts to scratch. I move the coco naras to the side and then it gets smoother and nice but then the amount of smoke drops drastically! For some reason I can't seem to have the right temperature to maintain a heavy amount of smoke.

Any help much appreciated.

sorry for the low quality pic, took it with my phone.

ps. off topic Holland finally got licensed in FIFA 10!!
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 11:20 PM
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what kind of bowl are you using and what size? ....sick hookah btw

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Old September 23rd, 2009, 11:22 PM
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Thanks, I'm using a Havana phunnel bowl.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 11:23 PM
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what size?
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: What am I doing wrong? Khalil Mammoon?

Please search the bowl packing methods and check out some more hookah setup vids and try to see your issue. If you have a good seal and the right amount of water, then the issue is on your bowl
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Some of the more distinguished members may disagree with my technique, but try a hole pattern that fits with the coco's. 8 square-shaped hole patterns poked with a thumb tack- two opposite corners a 5x5 grid, 2 other opposite corners 3x3, and then 2x2's in between each of those 4. With two coals, just rotate opposite each other as needed. Start and finish at the largest hole clusters.
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Some of the more distinguished members may disagree with my technique, but try a hole pattern that fits with the coco's. 8 square-shaped hole patterns poked with a thumb tack- two opposite corners a 5x5 grid, 2 other opposite corners 3x3, and then 2x2's in between each of those 4. With two coals, just rotate opposite each other as needed. Start and finish at the largest hole clusters.
John used to suggest this method...basically...
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as to your bowl, the bowl you have basically, isnt good.

read through this quickly: might help:
http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/showt...ghlight=havana
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John used to suggest this method...basically...
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as to your bowl, the bowl you have basically, isnt good.

read through this quickly: might help:
http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/showt...ghlight=havana

Really? I thought I was being original...oh well. No such thing as an original idea, or so they say. Good luck with your KM
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ps. off topic Holland finally got licensed in FIFA 10!!
Thats awsome! It about time! lol
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Old September 24th, 2009, 12:33 AM
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Default Re: What am I doing wrong? Khalil Mammoon?

I have some issues with AF tobacco in the past. So, you might wanna try a different brand just to be sure.

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ps. off topic Holland finally got licensed in FIFA 10!!
Congrats !!

Unfortunately, Saudi Arabia did not quailfy which is a big disappointment for me.
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Haha thanks, I bleed orange! As for the havana, I had no clue... I should have researched that better. I'll try to get a tangiers from HJ. I should have geussed It might have been the bowl because when I setup a bambino with a different phunnel it's perfect.
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Default Re: What am I doing wrong? Khalil Mammoon?

Havana Funnel is the problem use a scali mod or clips to raise the foil for the center spire is higher than the bowl rim
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Why do ppl insist on using HD foil... Normal works.
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Why do ppl insist on using HD foil... Normal works.
+1 i use normal foil and i find i get thicker smoke and better flavor
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whatever phoil helps your heat management style and makes you pheel better is the one you should use.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 12:47 PM
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I agree with fotolinger. Don't be afraid to experiment to find out what works for you.
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Try some nakhla
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Yea I picked up HD foil from the supermarket without knowing, thought all foil were the same . Should try with thinner foil.

I have some Nakhla too however I might be one of the few that can't stand the Mizo watermelon, dunno just not my taste too candy like taste to me. Plus the nakla mixed fruit is horrific, was brutal to my taste buds. But they have some good flavors tough, I'm more of an AF guy. However, the Romman chocolate and Romman Vannilla are absolutely amazing, not too much smoke but makes up for it in taste.
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dude, i had your problem a while back.
basically, i have a feeling your not packing the AF correctly.
dont put chunks of it in.
sprinkle and separate the leaves.
if there are stems, put them at the bottom of the bowl/throw them away.
most important - dont put too much tobacco in there.
tobacco should not touch the foil, it should be the same height as the hole.
finally, try not to pat it down.

after your done with your session, take the foil off, if there is any tobacco sticking to your foil then you may have packed it incorrectly.
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AF can be really hard to get smoking right. Some have said that it is an art to pack & smoke it. I would tend to agree. Regular packing methods have given me nothing but trouble with this brand.

There's a trick to get AF to be smooth. Scoop a large amount of tobacco into a phunnel bowl. I mean something like 35 grams for a small phunnel. Then, pack it down firmly with your thumb so it's just under the rim. It mustn't touch the foil etc.

Poke your holes whichever way you prefer. Throw 3 nats (some use 4) on there and let the bowl warm up for at least 5 minutes. Then start pulling. If it's harsh or funny in the throat, let it warm up some more or use a windcover. When AF hurts your throat, it means it requires more heat.

At the end of the day, it's a lot of trouble, but it's worth it. Though AF gets bashed a lot around here, I think it's still a very good brand. If you think this is too much work, I recommend Starbuzz or JM's Hookah; anyone can figure them out.
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If it's harsh or funny in the throat, let it warm up some more or use a windcover. When AF hurts your throat, it means it requires more heat.

Wow, how did you find that out? I had no idea I thought it was the other way around, the more harsh ... quickly get rid of the coles to smooth it out. Wow had no idea.
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this is superstition.
using more coals in my experiences sorts out the smoke temporarily but it not good in the long run.

plus, not everyone likes superdense thick smoke. imo, although it looks and feels cool, the sickly sweet taste you get (typically with AF) makes me feel sick after a while.
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