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Old September 24th, 2009, 08:38 PM
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Default This may offend some of you but...

i actually strongly prefer most starbuzz's over nakhla.
maybe im just doing it wrong, but my nakhla is always super harsh.

iv tried one coal, two coals. both nats and QL's.
packed tight, packed loose.
iv tried one layer foil and 2 layers. iv got the water all correct.
iv used an egyption and vortex. what could it be??

i like big puffy clouds that starbuzz gives, but nakhla's always harsh.
whyy?
is nahkla just not that good at making big clouds?
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Old September 24th, 2009, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

I can't obviously speak for everyone, but I'm not offended. Whether I care for a flavor or brand myself doesn't mean everyone should equally dislike it. I don't smoke Starbuzz because I can't justify the cost.

I've seen plenty of review videos on here where members get some decent size clouds with Nakhla. Check those out. Most members disclose their set-up at the beginning of the review - what rig they're using, how many/what type of coals, wind cover or no, hose, etc. It may help you get a feel for Naklha heat management and improve your experiences with it.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

Well, I'm not qualified to assess what you may or may not be doing wrong, but to show that Nakhla is capable of big clouds, check out this video by oramac..

http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/video...s&videoid=1944
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Old September 24th, 2009, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

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I can't obviously speak for everyone, but I'm not offended. Whether I care for a flavor or brand myself doesn't mean everyone should equally dislike it. I don't smoke Starbuzz because I can't justify the cost.

I've seen plenty of review videos on here where members get some decent size clouds with Nakhla. Check those out. Most members disclose their set-up at the beginning of the review - what rig they're using, how many/what type of coals, wind cover or no, hose, etc. It may help you get a feel for Naklha heat management and improve your experiences with it.
beautifully said.


also, dude, youre a heretic, nakhla beats starbuzz with a zombie corpse

and don't take that comment as something hostile lol
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Old September 24th, 2009, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

haha i only titled it that because iv seen so many starbuzz bashing posts.

anyway i had bought 1000 grams of nakhla so i really want it to work

i got sweet mellon, double apple, strawberry and banana
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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:05 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

Starbuzz is frequently poo-pooed on because it's really overpriced. There are some good quality tobaccos on the market that cost a third of what SB does. The appeal of Starbuzz is mostly the monster clouds and catchy flavor names, but my understanding is that it lacks in flavor. Many people would rather have slightly less dense smoke if it means having a shisha that responds well to heat and tastes consistently amazing.

Don't get me wrong, there are tobacco brands that are a festival of fail all the way around. They taste like dung, the batches are inconsistent in quality, the cut is horrible, they produce thin clouds, they burn easily, etc.

When you say it's "harsh" do you mean it tastes burnt and it burns your throat or is it simply stronger than what you're used to? Bear in mind if you're used to Starbuzz, Nakhla is going to be more potent because SB is a washed tobacco, whereas Nakhla is not.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

hmm its very tickle-y. which i used to associate with the shisha becoming burnt.
however, i know thats impossible because the first hit would be tickley from nakhla.
soo maybe i just need to get used to it?
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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

You know when you've burnt your shisha. When you inhale it burns - like, "oh my, I can't stop coughing" burn. It also tastes horrible. If the flavor is good, but you're getting the tickle, try packing a bit more of the Nakhla in your bowl and adding one half or one whole extra coal than you have before. Sometimes when it tickles it means you need to add some heat, and Nakhla is one of those tobaccos that is very heat tolerant.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

now i smoke Star Buzz (when i can afford it)..not because of the hype but because i like the flavors..i don't really get why ppl say SB lacks in flavor..maybe it's just my tastes. But to comment on PL's response..... PHAIL nakhla tastes like it was rolled in an elephant's hynnie (and don't try to use the zombie body...u dun want to piss off the elephant..just saying) :P
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

I dont think Naklha is any harsher, I just like starbuzz more.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:49 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

I am a big fan of Nakhla DA and I am not offended !! I've had some bad batches of Nakhla in the past and they were exactly as you described them, very harsh. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it IMO. So, you might wanna try another batch and see if the problem is fixed. I would recommend getting 50g samples.

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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

I love both. I grew up on nakhla. But starbuzz is amazing in flavor, and smoke density.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

my thing with starbuzz is that it has good flavors, just not as many, also as was stated above, it costs an arm and a leg....and the flavors do have a noticeble chemical aftertase that is much more pronounced than most brands ive tried, that is why i dont like it too much.

good starbuzz flavors to me: blue mist, citrus mist, citrus mint (thats it, and they arent to die for)

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as for your nakhla issue, try fluffing the tobacco more, as in making it less dense in the bowl and having it not packed as high. that could just be it for you, honestly, what you are gonna need to do is adjust how dense and tall the bowl is packed as well as the heat to get what works for you....

then again you could just be sensitive to the smoke still....i know people who think theres a tickle from the strength of lucid and starbuzz and i laugh at them sayin, youre joking right? but they really arent used to the smoke
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Old September 24th, 2009, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

"festival of fail"
Sounds like my day today.

Anyway, I've found nakhla to be pretty darn forgiving. If you're using a phunnel, pack it thick juuust below the rim. 2 split naturals spread around the bowl works every time for me.

Edit: Referring specifically to the Mizo line of Nakhla which is different than the regular Nakhla.

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Old September 25th, 2009, 12:34 AM
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imo flavour before clouds.
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Old September 25th, 2009, 04:56 AM
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Why would anyone be offended? If you like it, that's cool. They have a handful of flavors that are tasty, but too pricey for me.
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

Doubt anyone will get offended here, its your opinion and everyone iwll respect it, i like both brands, i like the SB margarita, safari melon dew, and citrus mist, whereas in nakhlas theys other flavours i prefer, and i like some from AF some from Fumari, no not one brand is perfect its which flavour you prefer in which brand
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Old September 25th, 2009, 05:22 AM
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

I smoke a couple SB flavors, most I find too chemical tasting or the taste is too faint. Tried some AF, it was OK, wanting to try some 360 next. I have had alot of luck with Nahkla, really enjoy the stronger more natural flavor. I usually get decent clouds as well, actually with the mizo line, I think I can actually get better clouds than with my SB. Sounds like a test coming on.

I will say that when I smoke Nahkla, I tend to not pack the bowl as high, as I tend to burn it. I am guessing this has to do with it being a drier shisha, and maybe it being unwashed makes it just that much harsher when you are close to burning it. With SB I pack it almost to the foil (but not touching). With Nahkla I keep it 3 to 5 mm from the foil. I am by no means an expert, but I have had better luck with burning and heat management, when I slightly under pack the bowl when smoking Nahkla.

I did have some bad luck with some batches of Nahkla Mango and Banana, seemed like it burnt super easy, and only tasted like smoke even when it wasn't burning. The next batch I got was better, dunno, maybe I got some old stock.
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Default Re: This may offend some of you but...

I've just recently started smoking Starbuzz after a long while enjoying AF which I use to swear by now the opposite heh - Everyone I've introduced SB to loves the smell and flavour and I have KG's worth of AF which we don't smoke any more.

I'm probably very nieve in my understanding of good tobacco vs flavour vs clouds but at least for my small part SB has been a welcome addition. I do want to try Nakhla, how is the tar levels in comparison with SB etc?
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Old September 25th, 2009, 05:44 AM
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If you like starbuzz over nakhla then that's your personal choice and yes nakhla does produce slightly less clouds but it's definitely not harsh. I think either your batch is very old and completely dried out and you need to add glycerine to it or your allowing the tobacco to touch the foil and need to create a little gap between the two
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I've just recently started smoking Starbuzz after a long while enjoying AF which I use to swear by now the opposite heh - Everyone I've introduced SB to loves the smell and flavour and I have KG's worth of AF which we don't smoke any more.

I'm probably very nieve in my understanding of good tobacco vs flavour vs clouds but at least for my small part SB has been a welcome addition. I do want to try Nakhla, how is the tar levels in comparison with SB etc?
no tar... there is no tar in hookah tobacco.. unless you burn it... tar is only created by burning. All labels for hookah tobacco say 0.0% because you bake the tobacco.. you dont burn it.
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no tar... there is no tar in hookah tobacco.. unless you burn it... tar is only created by burning. All labels for hookah tobacco say 0.0% because you bake the tobacco.. you dont burn it.
I meant to say nicotine! and more importantly what kind of a buzz does it have as SB isn't very hard hitting?
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I meant to say nicotine! and more importantly what kind of a buzz does it have as SB isn't very hard hitting?
I really cant say for buzz (i really dont get a buzz anymore) but as far as nicotine - 0.05%... i dont know what you mean by hitting hard... i think SB is smooth... i havnt burned it. I like alot of SB flavors. Good clouds and good flavors.
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imo flavour before clouds.
I agree .. it could be that you are smoking Nakhla the same as you would Starbuzz. This won't work because the Starbuzz is soaked in glycerin and the Nakhla is not.

Try packing the Nakhla light and fluffy in the bowl, below the foil (so the foil does not touch the tobacco) and then use a coal or two (depending on the size of your bowl) .. cover it with a windcover and then let it just SIT on the bowl and don't smoke it for a good 4 minutes at least. OK, now you are ready! Try it out ... should smoke great .. if it even starts to get a little harsh, go ahead and take the windcover off and adjust your coals. Clear the base and try again without the windcover. Should be ok. Windcover on and off to control heat .. and coals on and off to control heat.

You could always add a little vegetable glycerin too if you want ... just a little a 1/4 teaspoon or less.
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