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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:38 AM
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Default I just dumped AF DA in the bin

Crazy? Not with the new cuts throat tickle.


In fact I've thrown away AF peach, pipe, strawberry, watermelon and sold the rest. AF DA before it was changed was the most amazing tobacco, I can't believe they've become so bad.

I'm willing yo give AF 2 chance but does it also give the throat tickle like all the other AF?

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Old September 27th, 2009, 09:23 AM
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If it has the newer cut, it's gonna have the burn. Every flavor I have tried by them has burn issues. I wish I could say it was a tickle, like Tangiers, but this is a burn cause by the chopped pieces being too tiny.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 09:30 AM
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If it has the newer cut, it's gonna have the burn. Every flavor I have tried by them has burn issues. I wish I could say it was a tickle, like Tangiers, but this is a burn cause by the chopped pieces being too tiny.
What about HH? it's like cigarette tobacco yet I can get it to smoke just fine. I get that throat tickle when I smoke AF but it just doesnt bother me.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 09:37 AM
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I'm thinking the tobacco and the ingredients play a part in that, but i'm no expert.

What I get with AF is the harsh sensation, but no harsh flavor, and when I actually doget a good pull or 2 I don't get any buzz at all. This leads me to believe it's the glycerin or something. HH takes 2 coals like a champ, and on bigger bowls 3, and the tickle never appears, the flavor is smooth the whole time. AF is so processed, and HH is so clean.

Maybe it is attributed to nicotine, but that just mans they have a severely unbalanced product from obviously the new cut or using a different type of tobacco.

I can smoke a bowl of tangiers, and if the tickle is there I can at least smoke it like a cigar, but with AF if even a tiny bit touches it irritates the hell out of me.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:47 AM
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Does anyone know if AF 2 has the same problems?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: I just dumped AF DA in the bin

I wasn't aware that Nahkla changed their cut.


Regardless, I don't think that is the culprit. As far as the AF flavors go, the flavors that you described usually benefit a great deal from a little airing out before you smoke. This isn't an acclimation thing, its just the flavorings are really strong and usually smoke alot better once they've sat out for a half hour or so.

As far as Nahkla goes, I never have any problems but then again I haven't seen this new cut everyone is talking about.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 12:02 PM
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I wasn't aware that Nahkla changed their cut.
huh? no one said anything about nakhla lol
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Old September 27th, 2009, 12:05 PM
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huh? no one said anything about nakhla lol

You're right.. I haven't my coffee yet.. see what happens!?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 12:26 PM
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Does anyone know if AF 2 has the same problems?
AF2 is a great flavor .. give it a try. BTW, I had similar issues with AF DA and I hate it so much but AF2 is really nice.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: I just dumped AF DA in the bin

it could have to do with how you set it up. i tried to pack af esk tangiers style and it was a total fail, packed it loosely, small holes and it worked again. but that throat tickle will ruin a session,
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Old September 27th, 2009, 02:13 PM
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When searching the forums for AF heat management I came across an older thread that said that occasionally AF will produce the throat tickling smoke if you don't apply enough heat. It was recommended when that happens to either add another 1/2 to 1 whole coal or a wind cover and then purge the base of the harsh smoke.

Now, I have never tried this method as usually my AF only tickles when I burn it, so I can't say from experience if adding heat actually remedies the throat tickle issue.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: I just dumped AF DA in the bin

Apart from Thunder no one has my answered my question. Does AF 2 have the throat tickle problem that the other AF flavours have?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 02:27 PM
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AF: I just pack it tightly in a phunnel or a vortex, throw 3 nats on it with a windcover and let it reach the point where it "almost burns but not really". Give or take 10 minutes. Then I take off one coal and the windcover and smoke it like any regular shisha. What I get is smooth smoke, no tickle or harshness.

It sucks that we have to go through all of this trouble to make Al fakher smoke right. There are plenty of tobaccos that you can just scoop into a bowl, foil over, throw some coals on top and it'll smoke like a champ right away. AF is a different kind of animal I'm afraid.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 02:33 PM
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AF: I just pack it tightly in a phunnel or a vortex, throw 3 nats on it with a windcover and let it reach the point where it "almost burns but not really". Give or take 10 minutes. Then I take off one coal and the windcover and smoke it like any regular shisha. What I get is smooth smoke, no tickle or harshness.

It sucks that we have to go through all of this trouble to make Al fakher smoke right. There are plenty of tobaccos that you can just scoop into a bowl, foil over, throw some coals on top and it'll smoke like a champ right away. AF is a different kind of animal I'm afraid.
What about AF 2?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 02:34 PM
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When searching the forums for AF heat management I came across an older thread that said that occasionally AF will produce the throat tickling smoke if you don't apply enough heat. It was recommended when that happens to either add another 1/2 to 1 whole coal or a wind cover and then purge the base of the harsh smoke.

Now, I have never tried this method as usually my AF only tickles when I burn it, so I can't say from experience if adding heat actually remedies the throat tickle issue.
Do you have this same problem with AF 2?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM
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I'm thinking the tobacco and the ingredients play a part in that, but i'm no expert.

What I get with AF is the harsh sensation, but no harsh flavor, and when I actually doget a good pull or 2 I don't get any buzz at all. This leads me to believe it's the glycerin or something. HH takes 2 coals like a champ, and on bigger bowls 3, and the tickle never appears, the flavor is smooth the whole time. AF is so processed, and HH is so clean.

Maybe it is attributed to nicotine, but that just mans they have a severely unbalanced product from obviously the new cut or using a different type of tobacco.

I can smoke a bowl of tangiers, and if the tickle is there I can at least smoke it like a cigar, but with AF if even a tiny bit touches it irritates the hell out of me.
Do you have this problem with AF 2?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 03:06 PM
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Do you have this same problem with AF 2?
I've never tried AF2. I disliked the AF single apple so much I was never inclined to try the AF2. Next time I place an order with John I may snag some, though, and I'll be more than happy to share my thoughts.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 03:20 PM
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ive just dumped AF guava, just harsh with very little taste.....very dissapointed, but on the other hand managed to get some AF bubble gum produced june last year, and that stuff was just amazing
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Old September 27th, 2009, 06:04 PM
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Okay I smoked Al Fakher Pipe, it smells perfect but I cant get it to smoke right without it being harsh and very faint flavour! I can make everything else smoke right except Al Fakher.

I've smoked al fakher in the past and I would say that I've never had this problem, I used to get clouds out of it.

I smoked Al Fakher Grape and Mint (Prod date June 2009) with friends, I recently ordered from america. It smelt like ketchup and tasted like ketchup!!! No one could smoke it. Today I left it out for 15 hours and the smell has become A LOT more like grape now and less like ketchup (still the ketchup hint - depends on what you think), but nothing like grape and mint, ill try smoking this tomorrow and keep you updated on how it tastes.

In terms of cut, I agree I dont have a clue on how to get al fakher to smoke without being harsh. Ill run tests on this and see how it goes, fingers crossed it will taste amazing! LOL

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Old September 27th, 2009, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: I just dumped AF DA in the bin

I did a video about this a while ago, i had the exact same problems smoking AF before and it became harsh and the throat tickle, but pack it really tight and have big holes all the way through, let me see if i can find the video

http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/video...s&videoid=1754
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Old September 27th, 2009, 07:31 PM
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Apparently no one can read. The OP is asking if AF 2 has the same throat tickle! Cmon people geez.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 07:33 PM
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Apparently no one can read. The OP is asking if AF 2 has the same throat tickle! Cmon people geez.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:22 PM
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Apparently no one can read. The OP is asking if AF 2 has the same throat tickle! Cmon people geez.
LOL i think im just going to have to buy some an find out for myself
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Default Re: I just dumped AF DA in the bin

I wasn't getting a throat tickle .. but it is definitely a strong black licorice / anise taste .. I enjoyed it!
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: I just dumped AF DA in the bin

I noticed no throat tickle in the AF 2, I would have to say that it is the best flavor AF produces at this point.
As for other AF in general, I think we have all discussed its fall from the throne too much, that past is so long ago now.
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