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Old October 4th, 2009, 10:18 PM
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First of all, I want to say that I respect John as a vendor and an individual. I admire his dedication to this community and I would never, ever want to harm his business or his reputation.

I've always considered ******* Hookah coals to be a cheap, decent alternative to the big players (CCN, Exotica, etc). In other words, they are a good choice for those who want the most amount for what they pay.

For the last 6 months or so, they've treated me relatively well. Sure, they smell a bit weird and smoke a little when they light up, and they ash quite a bit more than other coconut coals. But they've done the job fine and I'm overall satisfied with them.

However I've been having some issues with CH naturals lately. I don't know if it's the humidity here or something, but they have tended to crumble and break down easily. Earlier this evening, I took three CH coals out of a new, untouched box that I ordered from John himself a couple of months ago.

I lit the coals on a single coil burner and started smoking. Everything was fine and dandy until I took one of the coals off the bowl with a pair of Syrian bird tongs and the coal fell apart, breaking into three large pieces and dozens of small burning rocks that fell everywhere on the floor, on my legs (no harm done) and on the table the hookah was on.

I managed to extinguish every last bit of coal with a bottle of water that I had nearby and spent the next 10 minutes washing the water and dirt off the floor. Needless to say, this incident put a definite halt to my session.

Now, I wouldn't worry if this was the first time it happened. But tonight was the fourth time I was experiencing this and I must say I'm fed up with it. I'm not applying excessive force with the tongs and I've never heard of coals breaking down like sand mid-session.

I'm asking you all, good people of HP, to enlighten me on this issue. Has it happened to someone else? Did I get a bad batch of coals? Is it because of the change in ambient moisture between Cali and Montreal? I'd love to hear your answers.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 10:22 PM
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Default Re: Quality of CH coals?

Did you order them directly from John?
I know a certain vendor that tampers with his coals and want to make sure it's not him or any other vendor
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Old October 4th, 2009, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: Quality of CH coals?

sorry to hear that. i can say that i've never had this happen to me in a year of using these coals (both qls and nats)
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Old October 4th, 2009, 10:33 PM
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Default Re: Quality of CH coals?

I haven't had a problem with CH coals, I use the quicklights. I had one brake up on me, but since then no problem.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: Quality of CH coals?

I've gone through about 2/3 of a box of recently purchased nats, and the only thing I can say is I've had a few bits crumble off on occasion, but never had one completely fall apart.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 10:39 PM
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Never had this happen to me.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 10:58 PM
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So far so good. I really like the CH naturals.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 11:10 PM
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I go through about a box every 2 months and they always treat me right.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 11:10 PM
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No offense Dakins, but this sounds alot like user error to me.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 11:22 PM
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I go through a lot of QL's and only order from John and I just got 3 more boxes about two weeks ago. One of the boxes wont light it's like trying to light a natural with a lighter and John being the professional he is immediatly said he would replace the box with my next order. I have gone through probably 20+ boxes so far and this is the first problem I ever had and who knows what caused it but he is standing behind the problem and that's all that matters to me and I will continue to use these coals which I like very much. I will only use QL's and these are the best there are and wont change and will never order them from anyone else but John just for this reason. I see one vendor that sells them under priced but he has a long history of being a thief and I don't trust him as far as I could through him. Johns prices ar good enough for me and I'm not risking tanking a chance with any other vendor. John is the man.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 02:50 AM
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I've gone through a lot of CH QLs and never had a problem... it's odd that your experiencing so many
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Old October 5th, 2009, 03:21 AM
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Did you order them directly from John?
He said that, yes.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 03:35 AM
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haven't had this problem yet
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Old October 5th, 2009, 03:45 AM
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I have only had this issue with Johns coals once, but I think I am to blame. I left the box open for a couple weeks during a very humid time of the year, which I think may have compromised the integrity of the coals. They worked fine before then.

Other than that, no issues at all.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 05:41 AM
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the thing with cocout cols, if you let them in a humid enviroment for awhile, they are no longer usable. they are worthless. it's best to put them in a ziploc and then back into the box.
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Default Re: Quality of CH coals?

I keep mine away from humidity, not really hard since i live in a desert, so I do not have this issue at all. Make sure you do whatever is necesary to keep your coals dry.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 08:38 AM
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First of all, I want to say that I respect John as a vendor and an individual. I admire his dedication to this community and I would never, ever want to harm his business or his reputation.

I've always considered ******* Hookah coals to be a cheap, decent alternative to the big players (CCN, Exotica, etc). In other words, they are a good choice for those who want the most amount for what they pay.

For the last 6 months or so, they've treated me relatively well. Sure, they smell a bit weird and smoke a little when they light up, and they ash quite a bit more than other coconut coals. But they've done the job fine and I'm overall satisfied with them.

However I've been having some issues with CH naturals lately. I don't know if it's the humidity here or something, but they have tended to crumble and break down easily. Earlier this evening, I took three CH coals out of a new, untouched box that I ordered from John himself a couple of months ago.

I lit the coals on a single coil burner and started smoking. Everything was fine and dandy until I took one of the coals off the bowl with a pair of Syrian bird tongs and the coal fell apart, breaking into three large pieces and dozens of small burning rocks that fell everywhere on the floor, on my legs (no harm done) and on the table the hookah was on.

I managed to extinguish every last bit of coal with a bottle of water that I had nearby and spent the next 10 minutes washing the water and dirt off the floor. Needless to say, this incident put a definite halt to my session.

Now, I wouldn't worry if this was the first time it happened. But tonight was the fourth time I was experiencing this and I must say I'm fed up with it. I'm not applying excessive force with the tongs and I've never heard of coals breaking down like sand mid-session.

I'm asking you all, good people of HP, to enlighten me on this issue. Has it happened to someone else? Did I get a bad batch of coals? Is it because of the change in ambient moisture between Cali and Montreal? I'd love to hear your answers.
To enlighten you, please remember that coals are compressed materials. The causes of your problems can be link to:

Damage from shipping/handling: Lets say your box of coals inside the shipping box falls on the ground, the coals will absorb the impact and some may fracture along their fault lines. Granted the packaging material may absorb some of the blow but some of it will still hurt your coals.

Humidity: Water vapor getting into your coals can cause the materials inside to expand, making the coals more and more fragile. After being lit the water evaporates out and causes more expansion, leading to fissures and cracks.

Bad Batch: This is the most unlikely cause I can think of but still a possiblity. Being that during the manufacturing process the causes above may be introduced. Also sometimes there can be materials that wont compact and bake into the coal very well.

I just want to say that out of every coal I have used so far CH are the best. I do agree that some of the bigger names might have better product but again for a bigger pricetag. You should contact John about your issues aswell, maybe he can track it better for you.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 08:49 AM
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ive had it happen once in the probably 7-8 boxes ive used. for some reason i want to say it might have been that i left the coals on a good amount longer than i needed to but idk maybe not, it was a while ago

shoot john a message to make sure he sees the info, there might be an issue with the manufacture (since he doesnt own the factory, hes pretty much just branding/marketing the product) that he might need to look into
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Old October 5th, 2009, 12:16 PM
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I'm having major problems with my CH QL's. They dont light. When they do light i let them burn, turn all white and they end up going out about 5 or 10 mins after using them. I think the box i have is a bad box, or really old. Im going to try the nats next, and stop using the QL's.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 12:19 PM
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This is box #6, this one was free. It's perfect as usual. Nothing better for Tangiers Lucid, Fumari, and Nakhla.


Ohh, yeah, coal is a natural humidity regulator and will release/absorb humidity in relation to the relative humidity of your environment. I am pretty positive that heating them up when they are overly dry or overly wet would cause problems, but this is an extreme. Funny how all these problems with CH coals happen when the weather starts to change, eh?

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Old October 5th, 2009, 12:40 PM
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Thank you all for your answers. I have noticed that the coals that tend to crumble are the ones taken from the top or the bottom of the box. It is possible that pressure or shock may have caused "microfractures" that turn into a disaster as the coal combusts.

Tonight, I will examinate a few samples of CH coals with a magnifier and try to spot anomalies or corruption in their physical structure.
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Tonight, I will examinate a few samples of CH coals with a magnifier and try to spot anomalies or corruption in their physical structure.

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Old October 5th, 2009, 04:47 PM
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sorry to hear that. i can say that i've never had this happen to me in a year of using these coals (both qls and nats)
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Thank you all for your answers. I have noticed that the coals that tend to crumble are the ones taken from the top or the bottom of the box. It is possible that pressure or shock may have caused "microfractures" that turn into a disaster as the coal combusts.

Tonight, I will examinate a few samples of CH coals with a magnifier and try to spot anomalies or corruption in their physical structure.
Be sure to screen it for STD's while your at it.

But seriously..searching for "microfractures"? Really? I don't know. We've all had coals break either from user error or the fact that coals simply break from time to time. Not only that, but I don't how seriously I could take your findings when your sample population is what.. one.. two boxes of coals? If you audited maybe 100 cases and found defects, then we should all be concerned. Until then, I think you've just had a string of bad luck.
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If he's having troubles with the coals, he's having trouble with the coals. It gets on my last nerve when people say user error when nothing in any of his posts point to user error. No product is perfect 100% of the time. Blaming it on user error is a bit premature.
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