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Old October 24th, 2009, 07:30 PM
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Default Just cant seem to get it right!!

I seriously need some help here cuz i dont know what im doing wrong.
My setup:
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KM hose and nammor hose
Vortex bowl
3 coconaras
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Range of AF flavours including golden seal

Ive had about 15 sessions now, trying different packing methods, no leaks anywhere.
But i just cant seem to get it smoking rite! hardly any smoke or flavour, and after like 15 minutes it takes horrible. And when i check the flavour, its not even burnt
Its just gettin really annoying now!!
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Old October 24th, 2009, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

In my opinion, i think it's the AF. Unfortunately, i've also had bad experience with it. Just got my first order of it recently after reading so many good reviews on it, the smoke would be thin and weak and i couldn't get it to smoke properly every time, then i would replace it with some nakhla or other shisha and it would be right back to perfection
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Old October 24th, 2009, 11:53 PM
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I dont think its the AF. I had AF today it was the new batch and it smoked perfectly. Good flavor and thick white clouds. I dont really know what your doing wrong though.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

are you making sure that your coals are fully lit? if not they wont be burning as ot as they should, it will also give off a bad taste.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

I had similar problems with AF. Just try something else.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

take pics of exactly how you have it set up....and i can maybe tell you the problem.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

ill take pics for you guys soon, u have also tried starbuzz and its the same issue, so i dont think the AF is my problem.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 07:33 AM
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ill take pics for you guys soon, u have also tried starbuzz and its the same issue, so i dont think the AF is my problem.
Sometimes people see AF and start throwing flaming turd buckets.

Honestly if your shisha is not burning or atleasts blackened after 10mins of smoking you need more heat. Generally speaking if you can take a draw from the hose and the hookah makes bubbles and you get air then there is nothing wrong with the hookah to cause such problems. So again generally speaking your hose should not be a problem.

When using a vortex bowl try to pack it by sprinkling the AF in and moving the shisha away from the air holes in the spire. Vortex bowl are notorious for being the fool proof way to smoke without burning your shisha but I find that sometimes this feature (creating a space between the foil and the tobacco) can make heating the shisha up somewhat of a problem.

Remember that AF is not very heat sensitive and generally can take the heat of 3 coals (CH QLs)

The only advice I can offer is to buy/make a wind cover and make sure your coals are comepletely lit throughout the coal. I love using a windcover with my vortex when I start the bowl because it concentrates the heat so I get smoke faster. But I must warn you using a windcover with a vortex can sometimes make the smoke harsh fast, this is mainly because being a modern bowl, vortex bowls are machine made and the material they are made from is pretty thin and overheats fairly quickly. Not a huge problem being that you can just take it off when you feel it getting harsh.

If you know for sure your coals are completely lit and the problem persists I would suggest using more shisha in the bowl, pack it so that the shisha does not clog the spire of the vortex but also comes closer to the top outside edge. Or add another coal...totally lit of coarse!

Hope the sessions get better!

Edit: Also check your vortex, I got one from SS that had 3/4 of the holes in the spire poorly made. So the airflow was horrible. Sometimes no airflow equals no good smoke not only because of the obvious but also because the heat from the coals isnt pulled into the shisha as much.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 07:41 AM
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thanks for the advice sui. Ill be smoking in about half an hour so ill get back to you with the results. Thanks again
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Old October 25th, 2009, 07:42 AM
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thanks for the advice sui. Ill be smoking in about half an hour so ill get back to you with the results. Thanks again
Go forth and smoke!

Hope things get rolling for you =)
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Old October 25th, 2009, 11:13 AM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

You shouldn't have problems with either AF or SB. I would do what Sui said, and you should have better smoke.

Good luck!
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Old October 25th, 2009, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

How often are you ashing and rotating your coals? CH coals can go back to black on the bottom quick if you don't keep an eye on them.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 12:35 PM
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Try using a normal bowl egytuan bowl FTW
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Try using a normal bowl egytuan bowl FTW
+1 egyptian clay FTW!
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Old October 25th, 2009, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

thanks for the suggestions every1. I used suis advice using the windcover for the first few minutes and i got 'ok' smoke for about 15 minutes. but even after the windcover on and off it got really harsh and i couldnt smoke it after that becuase the smoke started thinning out. Im using 3 coconaras
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Old October 25th, 2009, 01:24 PM
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when using coconara's always use 2 layers of foil
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Old October 25th, 2009, 01:28 PM
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ive always used 2 layers of foil
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Old October 25th, 2009, 01:32 PM
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when using coconara's always use 2 layers of foil
Why ?
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Old October 25th, 2009, 01:35 PM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

you sure you not packing it too high? be sure to not let your tobacco touch the foil! even if your leaving a gap between the foil and shisha if your foil is not tight the weight of the coals may cause it to touch and burn!that might be why its getting harsh! hope this helps!
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Old October 25th, 2009, 01:52 PM
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Try an egyptian bowl to make sure your doin everything right then a vortex heat managment if far easyer on an egyptian bowl than vortex use less tobbaco and coal
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Old October 25th, 2009, 02:15 PM
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ill give my egyptian bowl a try next. Ive been put off smoking hookah because of this!!
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Old October 25th, 2009, 02:46 PM
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Is this the type of egyptian bowl most people use? Ive got one similar but slightly more shallow.

http://www.nazarhookah.com/index.php...products_id=31
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Old October 25th, 2009, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

Yep, that's it. An egyptian bowl is a relatively shallow bowl..
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Old October 25th, 2009, 02:52 PM
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I always burn the shisha with this bowl
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Old October 25th, 2009, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Just cant seem to get it right!!

Yeah, that's a standard Egyptian style bowl. Some differ in sizes, but they are all pretty much the same bowl.

Honestly, for the foil, I haven't found much difference between 1 and 2 layers.
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