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Old November 22nd, 2009, 04:03 PM
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Default VOTE NO ON THE PACT ACT! everyone needs to sign this pettion!!!

i recieved this e-mail last night...and it really pissed me off. read:


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Valued Smokers Outlet Customers,

URGENT!!!!

Yesterday, November 19th, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved Bill S.1147 ("PACT ACT") to go before the senate floor for a full vote.
If passed, this bill will prevent the shipping of all tobacco products via the internet, phone or catalog through any mail services.
We need your help in stopping this bill, as it is the first step in taking away one more of our rights.
Please contact your state senators and tell them "VOTE NO ON THE PACT ACT."
Please forward this email to as many friends and family as possible.
We have worked too hard to provide you with superior products at great prices to let our government take it away.
Please click the link below for a more detailed explanation of the bill and to sign the petition.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/us-...-of-2009-s1147


Thank you for your support,

Fred Fogelman

Smokers Outlet Online


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everyone needs to sign this petition. post it on other forums. forward it to all your friends and family, even if they don't use tobacco.
i order all my tobacco online. what's going to happen when our favorite vendors can't sell tobacco anymore?
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 04:32 PM
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 04:38 PM
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Signed online, this better not pass
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: VOTE NO ON THE PACT ACT! everyone needs to sign this pettion!!!

In reading the actual bill it looks like it only applies to cigarettes and smokeless Tabacco.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...c111bqHigY:e0:
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 04:48 PM
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In reading the actual bill it looks like it only applies to cigarettes and smokeless Tabacco.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111bqHigY:e0:
Regardless of that it's free trade restriction and only a stepping stone to banning the shipping of other tobacco products.
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 05:39 PM
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I signed. I think we should all make an effort to spread this around. I'm posting a link on FaceBook.
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 06:21 PM
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I agree, but I was more concerned with the well being of our vendors and members.
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: VOTE NO ON THE PACT ACT! everyone needs to sign this pettion!!!

I hope that this wont affect us, but I think its wrong to ban the sale of things online - require a signature, if you need to verify age. This is not something that will in any way help us. In the best light, this is frivolous. In the worst, it is unnecessary, detrimental intervention.

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Old November 22nd, 2009, 09:16 PM
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I Have small hope seeing that the only mail carrier it refers to is USPS (united states postal service) so maybe it only affects them if worst comes worst

but yes this bill is complete and undoubtedly wrong
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 11:06 PM
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 11:24 PM
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fucking bitch ass governments
i will sign it

EDIT: US Citizens only, i would sign it but im in thailand
sorry guys
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signed. This is ridiculous.
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 11:35 PM
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hey look it's not just washington state anymore =p i'd contact my senator but seeming on how she already made it illegal to ship tobacco here.....i seriously doubt she's not all for this.

rant over.

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If this passed, this would suck horribly. Not just for the customers but for the vendors, most people EAT and LIVE due to online orders.
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Signed. I WANT THIS TO DIE SOON. DONT DEPRIVE ME OF NAKHLA.
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 02:52 AM
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Default Re: VOTE NO ON THE PACT ACT! everyone needs to sign this pettion!!!

please everyone, get your whole family to sign, all your friends, post bulletins on myspace, inform your local smoke-shops, anything you can do will help. the goal is 15,000 signatures but it would be great if we could get up to 50,000 so it's almost surefire that we are going to keep this bill from being passed.
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 03:18 AM
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Default Re: VOTE NO ON THE PACT ACT! everyone needs to sign this pettion!!!

These restrictions are coming faster and are more broad sweeping then anything I had anticipated so at this point I really think that prohibition or something pretty close is on the way. Looking back at all the stupid hope/change twaddle during the election I see I was wrong to view Obama as a mocha Bush since he's proven to be worse then I had ever predicted.

I really fell badly for the countless family owned businesses that will killed off legislation like this and the corresponding drop in tax revenues won't help the lousy American economy either.
Also, i'd have to say that banning legal businesses from internet and mail order venues is something that will easily be applied to any other politically unpopular business in the name of "saving the children" since this stuff never stops once it gets going.

God I am glad I don't live the states any more but I feel sympathy for my friends in the U.S.A.
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Signed this could really hurt business
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This is going to hurt EVERYONE.
People without jobs, more taxes for US to pay... & less freedom
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EDIT:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-1147

Been reading & this doesn't affect us... at all yet

This is to OUTLAW Cigarttes & smokeless tobacco

‘As used in this Act, the following definitions apply:

‘(2) CIGARETTE-

‘(A) IN GENERAL- The term ‘cigarette’--

‘(i) has the meaning given that term in section 2341 of title 18, United States Code; and

‘(ii) includes roll-your-own tobacco (as defined in section 5702 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986).

‘(B) EXCEPTION- The term ‘cigarette’ does not include a cigar (as defined in section 5702 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986).

Shisha tobacco falls under pipe tobacco... We are still safe

I recommend reading the laws itself before jumping ahead of ourselves. I DID sign it though, because its still taking away from our freedom
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SIGNED I live in WA so im already screwed thanks alot government ba@#$*&!s
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It seems that Micheal is correct about it only applying to cigarettes an RYO products but the thing is that once something like takes effect it's used as the thin end of the wedge to restrict/ban more tobacco products. Even if I didn't love tobacco i'd be against this bill for the simple reason that putting mail order companies out of business will increase unemployment/government expenditures while cutting tax revenue at a time when the American economy is in deep trouble. Of course it's silly to think that kids buy cigarettes on line since they don't have credit cards so the bill can't reduce underage smoking but it will hurt the economy.
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Shisha tobacco falls under pipe tobacco... We are still safe

I recommend reading the laws itself before jumping ahead of ourselves. I DID sign it though, because its still taking away from our freedom
That is how it starts, it will be our turn next. letting the government have to much control over our lives. The government needs to worry about bigger things like Financial aid for college students.
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I am reading through this, and byt the looks of it, it doesnt close down any business. nor does it stop the sale or delivery of the tobacco products. What this looks like it does, is give the authorites and federal govt agencies to close downa and investigate any sellers that are deemed "terrorist" involved. Not saying they wont just shut everyone down. However, it also looks like they want the ability to charge federal tobacco tax on the online orders, and make the sellers require a signature for the delivery.

I may be reading it wrong, but this is what it looks like to me. So i think if they wign it, i dont think it will ban anything, but it will allow them to govern it more. Chargemore for it, and shut down anyone they want for anything. Im not saying this is a good thing by any means, and everyone should sign the petition against this bill.

However, i dont think it is going to ban the sale and delivery of it.
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