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Old November 27th, 2009, 06:45 PM
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Default I've had it!!!! Why does it keep doing this??!!

Every flippin time I smoke a bowl of starbuzz a peice of the shisha will burn to the foil causing me to end my session way too early. I pack it well below the line and when I punch the holes I make sure the instrument doesn't touch the shisha (if it it does it grabsand brings the shisha up to the foil). But sure enough, it gets harsh fairly quickly and when I peel the foil back, there's the burnt fucker mocking me!!!
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Old November 27th, 2009, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: I've had it!!!! Why does it keep doing this??!!

I'm betting that the problem is less about the shisha burning to the foil and more about heat management in general. It's probably too hot. Once the shisha has burnt to the foil, the burnt taste should probably go away, for the most part anyway. If it the taste persists, or it stays harsh, it's probably just too hot.

Try fewer coals, or if you're using a quicklight try shifting it off to the side so it's not entirely on top of the bowl.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 06:53 PM
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Ok hun try using abut 1/4 less shisha and a little less heat and you should be good to go.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: I've had it!!!! Why does it keep doing this??!!

I second the idea of too much heat. Or it could be that the foil is sagging a whole bunch but you would notice that easily. Please explain your set up. What type of coals? How many?
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Old November 27th, 2009, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: I've had it!!!! Why does it keep doing this??!!

"there's the burnt fucker mocking me!!!"
Hahah funny stuff!!!!!!

I also think is heat management, try using less heat and more shifting of the coals, see if that helps.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 06:56 PM
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I'm betting that the problem is less about the shisha burning to the foil and more about heat management in general. It's probably too hot. Once the shisha has burnt to the foil, the burnt taste should probably go away, for the most part anyway. If it the taste persists, or it stays harsh, it's probably just too hot.

Try fewer coals, or if you're using a quicklight try shifting it off to the side so it's not entirely on top of the bowl.
I agree with this. Next time it happens, remove the coals from the bowl and wait a minute or so for it to stop burning. Than replace one less coal, so if you started with 3 coals, only put 2 back on. Hope this helps!
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Old November 27th, 2009, 07:08 PM
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Heat management is also about they hole pattern that you use on your foil. Try using smaller and fewer holes.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 07:08 PM
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Adding less wouldn't be a good idea, this is the least amount with out it being too little. I start off with one and a half coal peices (golden QL for now) at the very edge and it starts off just fine. As it goes along, I take one coal peice off and start moving the rest little by little to the center. I make sure it's not pushing the foil down. But it's always just one tiny peice that ends up sticking and burning. If it weren't for that, the shisha would last much longer...
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Old November 27th, 2009, 07:13 PM
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Adding less wouldn't be a good idea, this is the least amount with out it being too little. I start off with one and a half coal peices (golden QL for now) at the very edge and it starts off just fine. As it goes along, I take one coal peice off and start moving the rest little by little to the center. I make sure it's not pushing the foil down. But it's always just one tiny peice that ends up sticking and burning. If it weren't for that, the shisha would last much longer...
I don't know, it's not uncommon for me to find a little bit of shisha seared to the foil (even when smoking SB), but I don't have more than a minute or two of harsh smoke before it resolves itself. In my experience harsh smoke is caused by too much heat. If you feel like you're not using too much heat, try less shisha than you're better judgement would want.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 07:14 PM
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I've got tobacco stuck to my foil after every session. It happens, and shouldn't really ruin the session.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 07:24 PM
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I always find SB stuck to my foil when I am done, but this is no problem. It all tastes fine to me. I would look at your heat, cause burnt shisha is turrrible.
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I used to get SB along with all other brands stuck to the bottom of my foil. I recently started to press my shisha down a bit with a fork. I'm not sure who started the vid but that's where I got the idea from.

Just press it down a bit starting with the outside then on the inside rim if you're using a funnel.

After doign this I get nicely toasted sisha all around with nothign on the foil, I was impressed on how well it worked lol.
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Default Re: I've had it!!!! Why does it keep doing this??!!

I have shisha under the foil after most sessions never ruined one.

Try getting the foil tighter or use some tape around it so the foil dont go down when you move the coals in
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Default Re: I've had it!!!! Why does it keep doing this??!!

The consensus does seem to be heat management here. You mention that you use 1 1/2 golden qls. If you're using a 40 mm, one should be sufficient.

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The consensus does seem to be heat management here. You mention that you use 1 1/2 golden qls. If you're using a 40 mm, one should be sufficient.

Good luck.
It depends on the bowl but if it's a medium Egyptian then one 40mm split in half should be good. Personally I suggest moving away from disk QL coals ASAP.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 03:41 AM
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Fixed it, I got the notion to use heavy duty and problem solved. However, my two biggest problems are that I try just using one and the smoke content sucks. Also, after this last session I've been having what I can only describe as heart murmurs, where it feels like my heart is stressing out, is this due to the QL or do I need to stop smoking here?
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Hoover less, my friend. Slow it down, drink some liquids, have eaten something.
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Could be either to much Nicotine or CO poisoning.

Make sure the coal is fully lit and ashed over before smoking. Space between draws keep hydrated and eat before smoking and all should be fine.
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You probably have cheap thin foil. put 2 pieces of foil on your bowl then punch your holes. It will cut down on some heat
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sorry i didnt read the full thread. disregard my post
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use a double layer of foil and switch the starbuzz for some nakhla
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Old November 28th, 2009, 06:14 PM
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double foil usually does the trick for me
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