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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:27 PM
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Default Room Raiders!... UGH

So i just got a message that the RA on my floor in the dorm where i live did a random room check... and it was my room. I had 3 250g containers of AF... and they took all of it.. and possibly my hookah.

thank god im moving out in a few months
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:34 PM
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and they can legally do this?
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:35 PM
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That's not cool. Would they have taken a pack of cigarettes from you?
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:35 PM
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When we signed the contract they have full permission to go into the rooms and search when ever they want to.. its horrible
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:36 PM
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That's not cool. Would they have taken a pack of cigarettes from you?
No, but im guessing they thought it was something more illegal
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:37 PM
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When we signed the contract they have full permission to go into the rooms and search when ever they want to.. its horrible
Right, but can they confiscate legal items from your room?
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:39 PM
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If they think its been used in the dorm, yes they can. My dorm has a not smoking rule. Even though its only been used out of the building at at friends house.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:41 PM
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By 'law' they cannot do this.
FYI.
Especially if they took your hookah i'd fight it... AF isn't worth fighting for :P but a hookah is.

But if you really lost the 3 containers thats a good $30-$50 bucks that you should have the right to have... & its legal to have as long as you aren't 'smoking' it then they can enforce new rules with a new 'contract' that must be signed.
But whatever you signed to live there, look through it.

Happened to me over here at WWU... I fought the law & I won
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:44 PM
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Im going to call the Hall Director tomorrow morning first thing and demand they it is returned.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:45 PM
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When I lived in the dorm I had my stuff sitting out in the open and never had any problems. After everyone from my RA to security were accustomed to it they were cool. But I also had a sculpture of 3 condoms suspended inside a plexiglass box displayed right inside the door, they really never desided to bother me or my room mates.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:58 PM
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Im going to call the Hall Director tomorrow morning first thing and demand they it is returned.

This. Do this.

It's a problem we have to face as hookah smokers.

Here are some points to keep in mind.

Point out that you do not smoke it in the room.
A hookah is not defined as paraphernalia.
Possession of tobacco is not against the rules.
While searches are agreed upon, seizure of personal effects without probable cause is not.

If it comes down to the wire and they still refuse to give you the tobacco demand that they search all the rooms and confiscate all tobacco products including cigarettes. If they refuse then they are favoring the rights of some over others.

If they refuse to return your hookah demand that they test it for illegal use and raise a stink over the fact that it is an entirely legal practice and they were making false assumptions with no actual proof or evidence.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 11:05 PM
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This. Do this.

It's a problem we have to face as hookah smokers.

Here are some points to keep in mind.

Point out that you do not smoke it in the room.
A hookah is not defined as paraphernalia.
Possession of tobacco is not against the rules.
While searches are agreed upon, seizure of personal effects without probable cause is not.

If it comes down to the wire and they still refuse to give you the tobacco demand that they search all the rooms and confiscate all tobacco products including cigarettes. If they refuse then they are favoring the rights of some over others.

If they refuse to return your hookah demand that they test it for illegal use and raise a stink over the fact that it is an entirely legal practice and they were making false assumptions with no actual proof or evidence.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 11:25 PM
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+1 to what Kalutika said also your rights as a private individual was violated and a case of Theft could be laid against them.
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Old December 31st, 2009, 12:21 AM
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Completely agreed, be sure to be polite, though. You're far more likely to catch bees using honey, remember! (Not to say you shouldn't be upset of course.)
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Old December 31st, 2009, 12:28 AM
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It also depends on whether it is a private vs. public college.

If it is a private college, they can stipulate a zero-tolerance rule to tobacco in the dorms, and enforce it.

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Private institutions are not limited by the law in the same manner as public institutions. At a private college or university, a student's rights re: his/her privacy in a residence hall are probably spelled out in the rental agreement or some other document. These limitations will likely vary a great deal from one campus to another, as some schools believe strongly in allowing students as much independence as possible, while others are more aggressive in making sure students are obeying the schoold disciplinary rules.
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Old December 31st, 2009, 12:38 AM
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Thanks for the advice everybody! ill keep ya posted on whats going on
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Old December 31st, 2009, 01:55 AM
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I had this problem at my dorm but with my pipe. They tried to say it was paraphernalia so I had to remove it.
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I first got into shisha because of some Saudi friends I went to college with. The RA took their hookah and claimed it was paraphernalia. They hadn't been there long so didn't really know what to do about it so me and my roommate fought it for them on the grounds it was a cultural item and confiscating it was an act of cultural discrimination.

We won it back for them, became great friends and they hooked me on shisha.
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Old January 1st, 2010, 02:11 AM
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This is why im never going to colleg...heh J/K
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 11:59 AM
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Well ain't that a bitch? I would take Kalutika's advice and keep it civil.
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 12:03 PM
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+1 to Kalutika's advice and good luck!!!!
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 12:51 PM
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i had fought this problem recently as well. They took a couple things of tobacco and a few rolls of coals. I didnt have my hookah in the room at the time so they couldnt take that. So i made a appointment with the Residence hall lady and told her "look at the packaging its clearly a tobacco item and i am entitled to own tobacco. I ended up getting it all back but if we have hookahs on campus they can claim those as paraphernalia and thats pretty wack
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i had fought this problem recently as well. They took a couple things of tobacco and a few rolls of coals. I didnt have my hookah in the room at the time so they couldnt take that. So i made a appointment with the Residence hall lady and told her "look at the packaging its clearly a tobacco item and i am entitled to own tobacco. I ended up getting it all back but if we have hookahs on campus they can claim those as paraphernalia and thats pretty wack
Glad to hear it worked out for you Hopefully it will be similar for Hookah_Native.
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 01:39 PM
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if we have hookahs on campus they can claim those as paraphernalia and thats pretty wack

I hate the fact that hookahs get lumped in with paraphenilia.
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have u ever thought of putting shisha in an herbal shisha box? i doubt anyone would know the difference.
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