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Old February 4th, 2010, 08:44 AM
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ahh... reminds me of the ed hardy one :L
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sorry but this wasn't a joke. Tonic had these made for their booths at trade shows. this just gives the media more reason to associate our passion with negativity. lil john isn't the purest person out there to be used as a means of making hookah more popular. I think that's the point here, not that the designer is an idiot. he didn't decide to make these, Tonic did. dumb on their part.

Taqseem has been known to make some alright hookahs, the Stargate line, and their Tonic tobacco is alright, but this is just a cheap, gimmicky way to get retards to buy hookahs.

It's my personal opinion that if a 14 yr old kid will buy it based off of pop culture references, it should be obliterated from the face of the planet, annihilated, stricken from existence like it was never created. I'm tired of the vendors of the hookah community selling out to E!.

And frankly, they aren't even picking out good pop culture icons to reference for Christ's sake (Lil Jon and fucking Ed Hardy??).
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Old February 4th, 2010, 11:08 AM
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i agree wholy with hojo. this wasnt somebody who loved an artist or genre of music (heavy metal hookah anyone?) but this was rather a company association with a deplorable act . many people are well aware of what the word crunk means, and if your not i suggest you look the term up. hookah culture is discriminated heavially because of the fact it uses a water pipe, and alot of people who are ignorent of this fact see it as something its not. its not easy to have it welcomed sometimes because of this. we go above and beyond to set ourselves into a diffrent light from those other people, and something like this promoting the activity of "getting crunk" is a major blow to everything we as a community have strived for.

this community has been the most helpful ive been in, and friendliest to boot, dispite we haveing a section for reviews and a wealth of answered info, threads still hit the 20 mark in just a hour or so with answers to question weve answered a hundred times. the vendors on our site are known to mingle with the customers creating bonds. the mods are not power abusive, and rarely have i ever seen a mod have to enforce any rules, while we get a bad apple every now and then, we are for the majority a very friendly place.

the fact yopu defend this thing tells me either you just jumped the gun because perhaps you dont understand the term, or you dont take hookah as anything more then something to do, i could be wrong, but personally this things exsistence is a defilement of something ive come to love.

in closing, if you are offendered by our remarks, or if you still dont understand why so many of us rallied in protest to this "crunk" water pipe, then maybe you should do alot of research into the arguments weve brought up here. try to see where we as a community were coming from. if you still cannot do that then maybe its better to just leave, because if you cant see hy we take this personally, perhaps this really isnt a place for you.
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I'm sure the base was done mostly as a joke. Look at Lil Jon's Crunk Cup and you can see the resemblance to this hookah. Somebody was probably bored and needed something to put on the base of a hookah so they chose the Crunk Cup and transformed it into a crunk base.
I don't know what everybody is getting so riled up about, especially since it's not even something that is being mass produced but rather an individual's work.

Some of the comments in this thread really show that is forum isn't really "the friendliest and most welcoming/accepting hookah forum there is" that most of the members on here claim it is.
Sure, nobody wants to see your hobby turn into something terribly main stream and exploited by mass producing labels, but decorating your vase in whatever fashion YOU want to decorate it in will not only make this hookah more unique than any of your hookahs, but also adds personal value to this hookah because of the time and effort put into this.
Calling the maker of this base an idiot, brain dead, or comparing this hookah to fecal matter is not only unfair since the base was most likely made as a joke, but also shows ignorance and intolerance toward something that's even remotely different from what most of everybody here has.

Seriously guys, has it come this far that everybody jumps on the hating bandwagon and literally hurls incredible insults at somebody who created this vase most likely for shits and giggles?
This and the other thread where people openly stated that they don't like helping new people because those people are too dumb to use the search function really erased the whole "welcoming, accepting, tolerant" image this forum is always trying to pass off.

I wonder what Sambooka has to say about this...

Art? Any fucking asshole can put a stencil on a glass base and frost it.

Like in the Ed Hardy thread, which is not much different than this one , he will agree with the traditionalists.
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i agree wholy with hojo. this wasnt somebody who loved an artist or genre of music (heavy metal hookah anyone?) but this was rather a company association with a deplorable act . many people are well aware of what the word crunk means, and if your not i suggest you look the term up. hookah culture is discriminated heavially because of the fact it uses a water pipe, and alot of people who are ignorent of this fact see it as something its not. its not easy to have it welcomed sometimes because of this. we go above and beyond to set ourselves into a diffrent light from those other people, and something like this promoting the activity of "getting crunk" is a major blow to everything we as a community have strived for.
I'm very well aware of what Crunk means, I don't live under a rock.

Hookah "culture" will always be discriminated against because ignorance will always exist. It's not only because "it uses a water pipe" but also because it's from the Middle East and because people tend to discriminate against something they don't know about and is different from them.

Do you honestly think the people that don't know what a hookah is will look at the Lil Jon hookah and say "Oh, look! That's Lil Jon's Crunk ass on that hookah there! They must be doing something illegal with that!" I doubt somebody that doesn't know what a hookah is know who Lil Jon is.

The hookah "culture" is open to everyone, not just us. If people like the whole mainstream hookah idea, why not? It only means that more people will smoke and therefore more local shops will open up meaning more competition and that leads to cheaper tobacco & prices in general. That's how the market works.



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this community has been the most helpful ive been in, and friendliest to boot, dispite we haveing a section for reviews and a wealth of answered info, threads still hit the 20 mark in just a hour or so with answers to question weve answered a hundred times. the vendors on our site are known to mingle with the customers creating bonds. the mods are not power abusive, and rarely have i ever seen a mod have to enforce any rules, while we get a bad apple every now and then, we are for the majority a very friendly place.
I never said that this doesn't happen or that this community isn't friendly but it seems that as soon as something different pops up, everybody automatically hates on it regardless of whether it's offending to somebody who might actually like that product. That's not really the definition of an accepting and welcoming place. And while a lot of people are willing to help out, a lot of people aren't and you obviously didn't read the thread where people called noobs here idiots because they didn't use the search function. Go look it up and you'll see even how Sambooka felt about some of the comments there.

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the fact yopu defend this thing tells me either you just jumped the gun because perhaps you dont understand the term, or you dont take hookah as anything more then something to do, i could be wrong, but personally this things exsistence is a defilement of something ive come to love.
"More then something to do"? WHat's that even supposed to mean? Is hookah smokers it's own group now right in there with Jocks, hippies, and nerds? Yeah, I see it as something to do, it's not a lifestyle. I love smoking hookah just as much as anybody here but just because something comes along that's mainstream, etc. I'm not gonna behave like a 4 year old and throw the terms "idiot, braindead, crap, retard, etc." at it.
If you love hookah so much, give somebody else a chance to openly state how much they love this hookah without trampling him under extremely offensive insults. You love your hookah your way, and the people who love their hookah the "crunk" way will do so. Or are you actually suggesting that somebody should be denied the freedom to buy such a hookah?

I don't defend this hookah, it's not for me, I'd rather stick with my own. However, I do defend somebody's freedom to choose their own hookah. If it's not for you, just say so, don't go all ape shit on it. This isn't Kindergarten anymore, everybody can make their own choice.

I didn't hit the roof with all the skull hookahs, etc. saying that these people associate hookah with something dark, demonic or even Satan worshiping. If that's for you, then go ahead, it's just not for me.
I guess you don't have a problem with the skull hookah, etc. though, right?

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in closing, if you are offendered by our remarks, or if you still dont understand why so many of us rallied in protest to this "crunk" water pipe, then maybe you should do alot of research into the arguments weve brought up here. try to see where we as a community were coming from. if you still cannot do that then maybe its better to just leave, because if you cant see hy we take this personally, perhaps this really isnt a place for you.
Where exactly are we coming from as a community? To the Arabs that smoked hookah here before us, what we're currently doing is mainstream and they probably think tobaccos like SB, HH, etc. are a disgrace. But does anybody here care about that? Nope, because everybody only cares if it affects them, not somebody else.

Are you honestly suggesting I leave this forum because I want this forum to be a place where somebody with an Ed Hardy hookah or a Lil Jon hookah can come and ask questions without getting insulted?
If most of the people on here felt like you on here, I most likely would leave. Seeing that it's not the case, I'll make my free personal decision to stay as long as I please.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 11:40 AM
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Are you honestly suggesting I leave this forum because I want this forum to be a place where somebody with an Ed Hardy hookah or a Lil Jon hookah can come and ask questions without getting insulted?
If most of the people on here felt like you on here, I most likely would leave. Seeing that it's not the case, I'll make my free personal decision to stay as long as I please.
I would insult them until they bought a real hookah
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Old February 4th, 2010, 11:43 AM
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What if they didn't know a real hookah and they thought that en Ed Hardy hookah is pretty much the only one? You wouldn't want him to come here and tell him about all the other hookahs that are out there?
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Old February 4th, 2010, 11:46 AM
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Nah he would come here to fix his smoking methods, at which point there would be a full thread of "well this is how you load a bowl, use coals, etc ... and dude you need a better hookah, that hookah is bull shit". Then he will buy a new hookah and dumb his ed hardy crap.
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But he has a point; if they like hookahs like this one (or EH, or the skull) and don't start disrespecting the community or its rules, there's no need to go insane with the insults. I have always been able to get great smoke out of my little Chinese hookah... it's starting to degrade and the pull isn't great, but I wouldn't call it not a real hookah or a "retarded piece of crap" or commercialization of a culture or anything because I believe in capitalism. I may not like the prevalence of overpriced, oversweet brands ofmoassel when there are so many more unique, complex flavors available, but I didn't start tearing my hear and gnashing my teeth when I first heard about Cuzzinz. If there's a market, let it sell. No one here is smoking tombak or jurak exclusively, as far as I'm aware...

Something like this happened in my thread about the forthcoming HoboNargile. I'm still super-psyched about its imminent shipment, but boy did I have to defend liking something new.

Side note: while I don't like the EH brand or designs, the real problem that I had was with the claims that it was somehow innovative when all they did was source current tobacco/shisha/coal manufacturers and stamp a brand on. That would be a legitimate criticism; "I hope whoever designed that has a thousand coconaras dumped in their eyes" or something is just negativity.
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the point of my post wasnt saying mainstream was the problem, i didnt say anything agenst that. i dont care if toyota releases a hookah, my whole problem was that it was promoting the use of the hookah in the sence most people are ignorent to already accuse it of. if it just said lil john on it, while i still woudlnt like it, it wouldnt be so much the problem, its that it says "crunk"

as far as discrimination because it comes from somewhere far away, the only arguments i ever get is that it looks like its used for something else, hardly anyone i have to explain it to even realised it was arab, let alone from any other part of the world (with the exception of china, which a few people associated it with on first sight)

your right i didnt read the thread where everyone called the guy a noob, or idoit. so im not on here 24/7 sue me. i know that this community in the past has gotten harsh with individuals. the only time i was aware of this it was because he said something in a way that inadvertenly insulted this website, amends were made by the end of the post and apologies were given. but were not perfect and i know people tend to get hot headed.

as for where do we stand as a community? yes this has exsited longer then we have as a nation. and we may be "mainstreaming" it. my argument was never about that. where we stand in a community is just that, a community. were a group of people who have similure intrests in this, and stand by each otehrs to offer helping hands, when we as a community see something that angers us we speak out. you want to make hookahs fine, want to put artist on them, sure. but this particuler community does not endurse the use of a hookah in a illegal manner, just like otehr communities might. when we see this hookah, which is something this community strives to have people understand, and it has terms written on it that go head on colliding with our belifes, we speak out. when i say community i dont speak for the whole hookah speaking world, because we are not the only way, and to others we may be jsut as guilty destroying the hookah as the creators of this hookah. i ment community in the sense of this website, and the relationships and people on it.

lastly you state if there were more people liek me here, look, i never said anything twords you in bitter hate or even to target you on a personal level. but there are obviously alot of people with a similure outlook on this as me, and some of them have already posted behind me. i dont speak for anyone but me, but i do voice my opinion, the only thing i ment, is you attacked us for something, our opinion, telling us we were to harsh or maybe even wrong. but in the end its our opinion.

again, i dont care if you have an ed hardy hookah or a lil john hookah, while i dont personalyl liek them, or some of the things they might associate with, i dont hate them, and i give credit to anyone who has acomplished what they have, it was always that 5 letter word that annoyed me with this hookah.
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the point of my post wasnt saying mainstream was the problem, i didnt say anything agenst that. i dont care if toyota releases a hookah, my whole problem was that it was promoting the use of the hookah in the sence most people are ignorent to already accuse it of. if it just said lil john on it, while i still woudlnt like it, it wouldnt be so much the problem, its that it says "crunk"

as far as discrimination because it comes from somewhere far away, the only arguments i ever get is that it looks like its used for something else, hardly anyone i have to explain it to even realised it was arab, let alone from any other part of the world (with the exception of china, which a few people associated it with on first sight)

your right i didnt read the thread where everyone called the guy a noob, or idoit. so im not on here 24/7 sue me. i know that this community in the past has gotten harsh with individuals. the only time i was aware of this it was because he said something in a way that inadvertenly insulted this website, amends were made by the end of the post and apologies were given. but were not perfect and i know people tend to get hot headed.

as for where do we stand as a community? yes this has exsited longer then we have as a nation. and we may be "mainstreaming" it. my argument was never about that. where we stand in a community is just that, a community. were a group of people who have similure intrests in this, and stand by each otehrs to offer helping hands, when we as a community see something that angers us we speak out. you want to make hookahs fine, want to put artist on them, sure. but this particuler community does not endurse the use of a hookah in a illegal manner, just like otehr communities might. when we see this hookah, which is something this community strives to have people understand, and it has terms written on it that go head on colliding with our belifes, we speak out. when i say community i dont speak for the whole hookah speaking world, because we are not the only way, and to others we may be jsut as guilty destroying the hookah as the creators of this hookah. i ment community in the sense of this website, and the relationships and people on it.

lastly you state if there were more people liek me here, look, i never said anything twords you in bitter hate or even to target you on a personal level. but there are obviously alot of people with a similure outlook on this as me, and some of them have already posted behind me. i dont speak for anyone but me, but i do voice my opinion, the only thing i ment, is you attacked us for something, our opinion, telling us we were to harsh or maybe even wrong. but in the end its our opinion.

again, i dont care if you have an ed hardy hookah or a lil john hookah, while i dont personalyl liek them, or some of the things they might associate with, i dont hate them, and i give credit to anyone who has acomplished what they have, it was always that 5 letter word that annoyed me with this hookah.
Crunk stands for crazy drunk, it has nothing to do with any criminal/illegal activity whatsoever.
Crunk is also a music style and it was a dance/ceremonial act that was used by the slaves back in the day, that's where the moderon crunk music comes from.
You're linking something that has to do with drinking, dancing and partying to something illegal. As far as I'm concerned, nothing of the above is illegal or has anything to do with what you're trying to make it sound like.

And I never said that this community is bad or anything and I surely won't sue you for not being on here 24/7.

McGatty has a point, if you come here with a cheap mainstream hookah & you're looking for help, you should get exactly that and not a thread that calls you an idiot, retard or calls your hookah worse than crap.

If you have an opinion on this hookah, that's fine. If people on here don't like it, say it normally like everybody else did, don't call this idiotic, retarted, etc. (not addressing you in particular).

I made no kind of attack towards anybody here, I'm simply speaking out against some of the intolerance and extremely childish behaviour that has manifested itself in this thread.

However your statement that if I liked hookah stuff like this then maybe this website isn't for me was on an extremely personal level, but no hard feelings. If that's how you feel, then that's cool. I was simply saying that people are overreacting and stating their opinion in a way that could be completely, utterly offensive to somebody here.
Like I said, no hard feelings. I'd still with you or trade with you. You got your opinion, I got mine.
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Narghiles is something I take seriously in that I love the craftsmanship that goes into a good rig or the tobacco I smoke and the culture behind it is something that I care about and respect. The ritual and the stimulation that the hobby gives my senses makes life better so I care about how the things I love and enjoy are portrayed. Some say it's narrow minded to not accept any and all attempts made to change my favorite pass time into some corporate gimmick designed to sell music and fashion accessories I hate. I say when you change something too much it no longer has any connection with anything real and to accept such change isn't open minded but merely destructive.

Crunk is frequently used in conjunction with illegal substances and the corporate tools that have popularized the term are well known to consume illegal substances as are a large segment of the fans of those performers. As to getting crazy drunk, well again intoxication is not what narghiles are about and associating the two is a very negative development for those of us not enamored with ghetto thuggery. Likewise the pimp line of garbage made by Mya associates the sexual exploitation of women with my favorite pass time and that is something I will not accept. The term crunk is new and has nothing at all to do with slave dances and Negro slaves in the Americas had nothing to do with narghiles and are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Honestly, if expanding the appeal of the hobby means having stupid wiggers babble about crunk while smoking stuff I can't even write about and glorifying venal, stupid thug culture then i'd rather what I smoke remain obscure. Those that don't have a problem with ghettoizing narghiles deserve contempt because they degrade something great into just another reflection of the anti-culture.

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yeah, i kinda figured those multi heads wern't that practical & if i were to try to mix flavors i'd most likely want to mix the tobacco together in small amounts instead of using multiple heads, it just makes more sense, cheaper & easier
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