Home User CP Browse Members Calendar Register Today!  
Get New posts Faq / Help? Community Menu
   

Go Back   Hookah Pro - Hookah Forum > Hookah Stuff > Hookah Discussion

Hookah Discussion General discussion related to hookah ...

Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Hookah Discussion

Reply Share
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old February 1st, 2010, 02:53 PM
PCServe
Status: Offline
Hookah Aficionado
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Saxony, Germany
Posts: 1,563
Send a message via ICQ to PCServe Send a message via MSN to PCServe Send a message via Skype™ to PCServe
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

This is the biggest problem with German reviews. The most reviewers produce their own stuff and give it a high rating, other reviewers get paid or get tobacco and other hookah stuff for free, so they dont really do honest reviews anymore.
thats why i like the reviews here! keep the reviews here honest!
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old February 1st, 2010, 02:54 PM
Hajo Flettner
Status: Offline
Hookah Legend
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,746
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sambooka View Post
Agreed ..

I don't like the rating system much either. I am thinking about changing mine to a 1-5 as well.

Cheers!
Honestly the rating system that people use here isn't very good in that it's rare that people say why exactly they like something, how they determine the score they give it and describe products in such a way that I can tell what it's like. The truth is that there only a few people who write reviews that are worth reading.

What I suggest is that people take a look at the review format i've been using which are here - http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/searc...earchid=287761

I haven't gotten any feedback on my reviews but i've done my best to make them descriptive and have a scoring system that lets people know how I decide how good something is.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old February 1st, 2010, 02:55 PM
DaSebsch's Avatar
DaSebsch
Status: Offline
Hookah Aficionado
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Kentucky/Germany
Posts: 1,808
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

If it's one thing I hate is watching reviews of a tobacco and they're all good and give the tobacco good ratings. Then I buy the tobacco and the flavor lasts like 10 minutes and the tobacco was really a waste of money.

Well said, Sambooka!
__________________
"Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win" - England striker Gary Linekar
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old February 1st, 2010, 02:55 PM
KyleTheJustin's Avatar
KyleTheJustin
Status: Offline
Hookah Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kent, Ohio
Posts: 33
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

I might have dropped a "Hookah John is the best vendor ever" line in my video, but I stand by it! Hookah John, 10/10

Oh, and AW Melon is a 10, too. I agree, though. Honest reviews help people out a lot. Most of my favorite flavors came from reviews that I trusted on this site.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old February 1st, 2010, 02:58 PM
CaptHowdy's Avatar
CaptHowdy
Status: Offline
Hookah Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,159
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaSebsch View Post
If it's one thing I hate is watching reviews of a tobacco and they're all good and give the tobacco good ratings. Then I buy the tobacco and the flavor lasts like 10 minutes and the tobacco was really a waste of money.

Well said, Sambooka!
Thank you for the idea you just gave me!
__________________
My Videos
Favorite Tobacco: Desi Murli, Salloum, Cleopatra, Nakhla, Afzal
Favorite Rigs: Syrian Glyph, KM Silk Butterfly, KM Carnival, KM Kafe, SS Czar, Mini MYA
Favorite Hoses: 2 Large Nammor, Caravan, KM Rainbow, Ba Barkir
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:00 PM
Hajo Flettner
Status: Offline
Hookah Legend
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,746
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by opticalshadow View Post
the thing i hate seeing the most is people who review brands that they state firmly they dislike greatly, and then review a product by said brand giving it no lee way, often compareing it to what they dont liek about the brand as a whole. i know this is a valid opinion but in all honestly,if you smoke lets say NAK or AF exclucivly, and think that SB or TANG is absolute trash, never smoke it, never liked it, never will like it. you really shouldnt review it, its honest and stright forward, but if your biased agenst a whole brand then even if your honest opinions arnt ment to be biased, they are.
Good points. I think it's safe to say you'll never see me reviewing Fantasia/Cuzzinz/SB/Epic or any other band I hate for the simple reason that I know I can't be unbiased. On the other hand, when I review products from brands that I do like I make a real effort to be as descriptive as possible so that people know what the product is like. I actively work to avoid say that something sucks or is great but instead say how some something, smokes, tastes, smells, is packed etc.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:00 PM
BIGPOPPA's Avatar
BIGPOPPA
Status: Offline
I call it hypocritical BS
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: VAIL, AZ
Posts: 3,615
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyxxie View Post
[Just like 10s are rare, 1s should be as well. I think being a fair rater isn't a reason to "not be welcomed here." Don't you think by saying that the people who believe you are speaking about them will now stop actually reviewing in fear that you wont think it's fair and will be removed from the site?
If a member is receiving a product for free in order to give an honest review for a contest to win a prize and said member isnt giving truly honest reviews then they do not belong here. That is pretty much being dishonest and deceiving others who might count on the review to make up their mind on purchasing the product. If a person believes that this was addressed to them maybe they are feeling guilty for not giving an honest review? Why else would they feel it was directed at them?
Everyones taste buds are different and everyone has different opinions on products but if someone is purposefully giving a wrong rating isnt that dishonest?
__________________
Hi, my name's John. You are in violation of the balance. Leave immediately or I will deport you.

Last edited by Sambooka; February 1st, 2010 at 03:21 PM. Reason: editted to fix quotation brackets
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:05 PM
Jride
Status: Offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: SO. CAL
Posts: 692
Send a message via AIM to Jride
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

I believe Im honest. I dont want to say something shitty is good because I dont want someone to buy something that I already made the mistake of buying and wasting money on
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:10 PM
DaSebsch's Avatar
DaSebsch
Status: Offline
Hookah Aficionado
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Kentucky/Germany
Posts: 1,808
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptHowdy View Post
Thank you for the idea you just gave me!
Watching reviews before buying tobacco?

You're welcome!
__________________
"Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win" - England striker Gary Linekar
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:12 PM
CaptHowdy's Avatar
CaptHowdy
Status: Offline
Hookah Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,159
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaSebsch View Post
Watching reviews before buying tobacco?

You're welcome!
LMAO! No, stopping my video after I finish summing up everything and then picking it back up about 20-30 minutes later and let you know how it still smokes.
__________________
My Videos
Favorite Tobacco: Desi Murli, Salloum, Cleopatra, Nakhla, Afzal
Favorite Rigs: Syrian Glyph, KM Silk Butterfly, KM Carnival, KM Kafe, SS Czar, Mini MYA
Favorite Hoses: 2 Large Nammor, Caravan, KM Rainbow, Ba Barkir
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:16 PM
patelbadboy2006's Avatar
patelbadboy2006
Status: Offline
Hookah Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 3,893
Send a message via MSN to patelbadboy2006 Send a message via Yahoo to patelbadboy2006
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

You make a good point SamB i have bought plenty of tobacco in the past that people said was the next best thing a perfect 10 and when i tried it, it was ok at best, not gonna name names, but it was mainly Jm's and Fantasia stuff i dont know if they were paid reviewers or really liked the product, but i couldnt stand it
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:21 PM
Dee's Avatar
Dee
Status: Offline
Hookah Pro
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 943
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptHowdy View Post
LMAO! No, stopping my video after I finish summing up everything and then picking it back up about 20-30 minutes later and let you know how it still smokes.
I always give a tobacco a few sessions at least before I review it. I have only done one review on a first session and I mention that fact in the video. I feel one session is never enough to fully judge a tobacco.

<----I like this!
__________________
See me on YouTube!
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:24 PM
KyleTheJustin's Avatar
KyleTheJustin
Status: Offline
Hookah Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kent, Ohio
Posts: 33
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

You kinda inspired me to try that with Mizo Guava, Dee. I've never consumed a guava--or 90% of other fruits--so maybe I'll give that one a go when it gets here. I like the "first impression" reviews. I vote that we start posting up drunk reviews! How much more honest could you get? I'll do one this weekend with some support....
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:36 PM
MAD_HATTER's Avatar
MAD_HATTER
Status: Offline
Hookah Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: SoCal- Long Beach
Posts: 5,342
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee View Post
I think too that some people just tend to rate high, or rate low. It seems like in watching video reviews that a lot of people will give a 7 to something they describe as being average. This was the main reason I never did number ratings in the past.

In my latest video I decided to try a 1-5 scale. I think it's easier to use and understand.

1. Unbearable for whatever reason.
2. Has some decent qualities, maybe good smoke or whatever but lacks too much in other areas to be recommended.
3. Average. Not bad all around. Will definitely finish what I have, may or may not buy again.
4. Above average, will likely buy again.
5. Way above average, will definitely keep in stock.

Of course, it's all a matter of opinion in the end. People have different tastes and use different methods.
doing this from now on
__________________
With those happy thoughts, in my head, I'm feeling like I'm peter pan... Minus the tights and the fairies....
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:42 PM
unicycleboy3190's Avatar
unicycleboy3190
Status: Offline
Hookah Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: muncie indiana
Posts: 793
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

thats why i have dropped down to a 1-5 scale cause someones 5 could be anothers 8 and i am always honest cause why lie and make people thing its great but get something thats crap
__________________
KM 38 inch green pear, KM 34 inch black single pear 3 hose, Caravan 32 inch green single pear


Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:45 PM
Sambooka's Avatar
Sambooka
Status: Offline
Sambooka Jr.


 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 13,856
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jride View Post
I believe Im honest. I dont want to say something shitty is good because I dont want someone to buy something that I already made the mistake of buying and wasting money on
Yeah I've been there before .. and let me tell you I was pissed off! I got some of the crappiest tobacco I have ever smelt! I would never want someone to watch a review of mine and run out and buy something .. then be like wtf is this a joke!?? Like I said .. it is why I got into this .. to share knowledge and opinions that aren't powered by the almighty dollar or joe schmo the shisha tobacco manufacturer or vendor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by patelbadboy2006 View Post
You make a good point SamB i have bought plenty of tobacco in the past that people said was the next best thing a perfect 10 and when i tried it, it was ok at best, not gonna name names, but it was mainly Jm's and Fantasia stuff i dont know if they were paid reviewers or really liked the product, but i couldnt stand it
Yeah it sucks when people are "compensated" or "encouraged" to do reviews! Very misleading. But thankfully you can always check Hookah Pro for reviews, or even ask about it in chat and get a ton of responses! You can tell the difference between fanboys and sincere here.

A couple years ago I started doing vendor reviews anonymously. But then some people started doing vendor reviews in exchange for a couple extra samples or a free upgrade. So they would say "yeah it is great shipping, blahblahblah!" It was so shady and so tainted from what I was trying to do, that I stopped doing vendor reviews. Because they became pointless after being abused by people only concerned with themselves and what they could get out of the deal. Uggg it makes me cringe to think how diabolicaly shady people can be.
__________________

http://www.hookahpro.com - Hookah Pro Community - Hookah Forum
~Favorite Hookah~ Khalil Mamoon Amer .. (she leans, so I call her Eileen)
~Favorite Setup~ Egyptian Hookah, Vortex Bowl, Natural Coals (Exotica or Coconara)
~Current Flavor Favorites~ Ayam Zaman 1001 Nights, Hookah Freak Spiced Apple Cider, Starbuzz White Peach
Nakhla Double Apple, Nakhla Earl Grey, Nakhla Sweet Melon, Nakhla Cinnamon, Nakhla Cardamom, Nakhla Fakhfakhina Mixed Fruit, Nakhla El Basha Grape
Al Fakher Mint, Al Fakher Orange, Al Fakher Cinnamon
HookahPro.com .. powered by Elites!
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:46 PM
Hajo Flettner
Status: Offline
Hookah Legend
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,746
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee View Post
I think too that some people just tend to rate high, or rate low. It seems like in watching video reviews that a lot of people will give a 7 to something they describe as being average. This was the main reason I never did number ratings in the past.

In my latest video I decided to try a 1-5 scale. I think it's easier to use and understand.

1. Unbearable for whatever reason.
2. Has some decent qualities, maybe good smoke or whatever but lacks too much in other areas to be recommended.
3. Average. Not bad all around. Will definitely finish what I have, may or may not buy again.
4. Above average, will likely buy again.
5. Way above average, will definitely keep in stock.

Of course, it's all a matter of opinion in the end. People have different tastes and use different methods.
The 1-5 scale is all fine and well except that it doesn't say why exactly something is any given number or rate in any precise way how the reviewer weighs smoke quality/amount Vs. taste Vs. longevity Vs. smell or the overall value of the product. Take at look at my reviews and let me know what you think of the approach when you have a few minutes.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:46 PM
Sambooka's Avatar
Sambooka
Status: Offline
Sambooka Jr.


 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 13,856
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by KyleTheJustin View Post
You kinda inspired me to try that with Mizo Guava, Dee. I've never consumed a guava--or 90% of other fruits--so maybe I'll give that one a go when it gets here. I like the "first impression" reviews. I vote that we start posting up drunk reviews! How much more honest could you get? I'll do one this weekend with some support....
LOL! Most of my early videos are drunk reviews! hahaha

see "Cleaning a Hookah with Beer!" haha!
__________________

http://www.hookahpro.com - Hookah Pro Community - Hookah Forum
~Favorite Hookah~ Khalil Mamoon Amer .. (she leans, so I call her Eileen)
~Favorite Setup~ Egyptian Hookah, Vortex Bowl, Natural Coals (Exotica or Coconara)
~Current Flavor Favorites~ Ayam Zaman 1001 Nights, Hookah Freak Spiced Apple Cider, Starbuzz White Peach
Nakhla Double Apple, Nakhla Earl Grey, Nakhla Sweet Melon, Nakhla Cinnamon, Nakhla Cardamom, Nakhla Fakhfakhina Mixed Fruit, Nakhla El Basha Grape
Al Fakher Mint, Al Fakher Orange, Al Fakher Cinnamon
HookahPro.com .. powered by Elites!
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:50 PM
KyleTheJustin's Avatar
KyleTheJustin
Status: Offline
Hookah Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kent, Ohio
Posts: 33
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

hahahaha, classic. I'm just brutally honest when I'm drunk, so my reviews will be very spot on and blunt. I'll try to post one up this weekend. Hopefully my new order arrives in time.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:51 PM
Sambooka's Avatar
Sambooka
Status: Offline
Sambooka Jr.


 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 13,856
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Just don't overdue the liquid honesty .. lol .. then it just becomes annoying!
__________________

http://www.hookahpro.com - Hookah Pro Community - Hookah Forum
~Favorite Hookah~ Khalil Mamoon Amer .. (she leans, so I call her Eileen)
~Favorite Setup~ Egyptian Hookah, Vortex Bowl, Natural Coals (Exotica or Coconara)
~Current Flavor Favorites~ Ayam Zaman 1001 Nights, Hookah Freak Spiced Apple Cider, Starbuzz White Peach
Nakhla Double Apple, Nakhla Earl Grey, Nakhla Sweet Melon, Nakhla Cinnamon, Nakhla Cardamom, Nakhla Fakhfakhina Mixed Fruit, Nakhla El Basha Grape
Al Fakher Mint, Al Fakher Orange, Al Fakher Cinnamon
HookahPro.com .. powered by Elites!
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:51 PM
DanyalAkkaya's Avatar
DanyalAkkaya
Status: Offline
Hookah Pro
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 666
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

This was a very necessary post. A lot of the members look to the reviews to help them make their decisions, we wouldn't want to steer them the wrong way. Everyone has the own tastes and opinions so let them be heard! Don't let others say it for you!
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:55 PM
Dee's Avatar
Dee
Status: Offline
Hookah Pro
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 943
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hajo Flettner View Post
The 1-5 scale is all fine and well except that it doesn't say why exactly something is any given number or rate in any precise way how the reviewer weighs smoke quality/amount Vs. taste Vs. longevity Vs. smell or the overall value of the product. Take at look at my reviews and let me know what you think of the approach when you have a few minutes.
I agree. Keep in mind I'm using the 1-5 scale strictly for video reviews and as such can freely talk about what ever pertinent points I feel are necessary. In the past I never bothered giving a number at all so the 1-5 is just a way to sort of sum up the review.

I do like your format for written reviews. I'm curious though about the max number of points for each category. Is it a max of 50 for each?
EDIT: NEVER MIND I FIGURED IT OUT!!
__________________
See me on YouTube!

Last edited by Dee; February 1st, 2010 at 04:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:55 PM
Sambooka's Avatar
Sambooka
Status: Offline
Sambooka Jr.


 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 13,856
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanyalAkkaya View Post
This was a very necessary post. A lot of the members look to the reviews to help them make their decisions, we wouldn't want to steer them the wrong way. Everyone has the own tastes and opinions so let them be heard! Don't let others say it for you!
Thanks Danyal .. I totally agree! SPEAK what is on YOUR mind! Not someone else!

This thread will reappear from time to time I am sure .. or at least be recreated from time to time. It is necessary for our community!
__________________

http://www.hookahpro.com - Hookah Pro Community - Hookah Forum
~Favorite Hookah~ Khalil Mamoon Amer .. (she leans, so I call her Eileen)
~Favorite Setup~ Egyptian Hookah, Vortex Bowl, Natural Coals (Exotica or Coconara)
~Current Flavor Favorites~ Ayam Zaman 1001 Nights, Hookah Freak Spiced Apple Cider, Starbuzz White Peach
Nakhla Double Apple, Nakhla Earl Grey, Nakhla Sweet Melon, Nakhla Cinnamon, Nakhla Cardamom, Nakhla Fakhfakhina Mixed Fruit, Nakhla El Basha Grape
Al Fakher Mint, Al Fakher Orange, Al Fakher Cinnamon
HookahPro.com .. powered by Elites!
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:56 PM
Dr Shisha's Avatar
Dr Shisha
Status: Offline
Hookah Nut
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London
Posts: 208
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

totally agree with this post.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old February 1st, 2010, 03:57 PM
hookahman1988's Avatar
hookahman1988
Status: Offline
Hookah Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,440
Send a message via AIM to hookahman1988
Default Re: Keep Your Reviews HONEST! and UNBIASED!

If I think it's shyt, I'll say it's shyt. Whether it be a vendor or a tobacco, I'll give my honest experience with it. For me honesty and integrity are important, if you don't have those then what are you left with?
Reply With Quote
Reply Share
Share with your friends on facebook

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Amazingly Honest Hajo Flettner Serious Discussion 16 September 28th, 2009 08:35 AM
Lets be honest... BDP Hookah Discussion 28 July 7th, 2009 03:43 AM
How about some REVIEWS!??!? Sambooka Hookah Discussion 33 June 23rd, 2008 11:54 AM
Your honest opinion speel Hookah Discussion 12 July 30th, 2007 03:07 PM
A Honest Look at Ebay Hajo Flettner Hookah Discussion 19 May 31st, 2007 01:10 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:39 AM.

Skin Design By vBSkinworks



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2007 - 2012, Hookah Pro Inc.