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Old March 24th, 2010, 08:30 PM
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What is the cause of the barbecue, soy sauce smell? I've heard because it is an unwashed tobacco but there are many unwashed tobaccos on the market that are ready 2 smoke right out of the bag. So please.. enlighten me


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Old March 24th, 2010, 08:34 PM
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You know what I have no idea, but that is a good point to bring up. I hope someone can bring light to the situation.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 08:42 PM
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Tangiers can be really good! or not so good sometimes. Sorry thats all Ive got good question though
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Old March 24th, 2010, 08:56 PM
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The BBQ / Soy smell is the Molasses / Tobacco blend overpowering the flavor oils mixed in with the tobacco due to moisture saturation. Letting it air out will take the BBQ away, however I've only gotten the BBQ smell while opening a fresh package while its extremely humid.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:03 PM
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That doesn't make sense... molasses are made of glycerin, honey and other additives and neither they nor the tobacco smell anything like BBQ or Soy sauce when by themselves...
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:10 PM
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There are other additives besides molasses and glycerin. Eric doesnt disclose a full list for copyright purposes, but the basic gist is too much moisture masks the flavor and reacts with the rest of the mix to make BBQ smell. Dry out the tobacco a bit and it goes away.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:15 PM
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Why would eric want to copyright BBJ flavored molasses? I doubt anyone wants to steal that recipe. lol

Im not sure if this batch of Grape I got is ready or not.. I smell a SLIGHT barbecue smell and no grape so Im guessing its ready. lol.. we will see tonight
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:35 PM
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I always thought it had to do more with the way it was made with all the ingredients affecting the overall smell. I really have not got a bbq smell or soy sauce smell though, but it seems to have almost no smell to me. I usually let it sit for a while and then you start to smell individual flavors.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:42 PM
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the whole bbq smell does not come with the lucid. i had some noir and i was horrible.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:47 PM
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I smoke almost 100% Tangiers Noir and never get BBQ issues, once in a while I get light flavor when the weather is wacky, but other than that its consistently good for me.

Flavors like Grape and other light fruits generally dont have a smell but they smoke great. The light fruits have a lot of flavor, but not an overpowering smell.

Tangiers is another tobacco that generally benefits from having 2 or 3 hoses dedicated to certain flavor groups, dont smoke grape or passionfruit out of a hose you smoked mint out of. The mint will overpower the flavors.

Just remember to poke lots of large holes and use half the heat you would with any other brand.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 10:03 PM
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I smoke almost 100% Tangiers Noir and never get BBQ issues, once in a while I get light flavor when the weather is wacky, but other than that its consistently good for me.

Flavors like Grape and other light fruits generally dont have a smell but they smoke great. The light fruits have a lot of flavor, but not an overpowering smell.

Tangiers is another tobacco that generally benefits from having 2 or 3 hoses dedicated to certain flavor groups, dont smoke grape or passionfruit out of a hose you smoked mint out of. The mint will overpower the flavors.

Just remember to poke lots of large holes and use half the heat you would with any other brand.
I've also heard something related to the weather issue. I was watching a review where someone said they get the "soy sauce" smell because they lived I think it was 45,000 above sea level and the air is very very thin.
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Just remember to poke lots of large holes and use half the heat you would with any other brand.
This could be true depending on how you're setting up the bowl. I use the same amount of coals as I would use with other brands.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 10:51 PM
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I have me 10 different flavors showing up tomorrow cant wait. I have had a few that smell like BBQ but the BBQ smell always goes away some times it take a few days of opening it up for a few hours but I do live in Hawaii with very high Humidity.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 10:54 PM
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I have no idea where that smell comes from.
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I have no idea where that smell comes from.
Thanks for the Intelligent post
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Thanks for the Intelligent post
No need to be rude, this was pretty much uncalled for.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 11:17 PM
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But it was a completely unnecessary post, haha.

Don't quote me on this, but I think I read it on another forum awhile back. It might have something to do with how the tobacco is baked?

I have NEVER had a pack of Tangiers smell like soy or BBQ sauce. The tea flavors maybe seem to have a hint of this soy sauce kick you guys are talking about, but letting it sti out fora few minutes helps that go away.

I have been lucky enough to never have acclimation problems. I live in Seattle, but I am not sure how similar our environment is compared to that of San Diego humidity wise. Usually I can smoke the stuff straight out of the bag. If not, letting it sit for an hour does the trick.
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I've had Soft Black smell like BBQ sauce before, let it air out and the smell went away. Probably due to the fact that its made with molasses (an ingredient in BBQ sauce) instead of glycerin/honey. Molasses has a flavor of its own compared to honey and vegetable glycerin.
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Old March 25th, 2010, 03:02 AM
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I've had Soft Black smell like BBQ sauce before, let it air out and the smell went away. Probably due to the fact that its made with molasses (an ingredient in BBQ sauce) instead of glycerin/honey. Molasses has a flavor of its own compared to honey and vegetable glycerin.
hmmm, makes sense
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Old March 25th, 2010, 05:29 AM
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hmmm, makes sense
Yeah that BBQ sauce smell you detect is the molasses and nothing else, except perhaps how it is reacting to the other ingredients.


Most folks probably have a jar of molasses somewhere in their kitchen, give it a whiff and you'll see for yourself.
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I got 250 g of Lucid Orange Soda and it smells really spicy/soy saucey, tried to let it acclimate but that did not help, so the Lucid line is not 100% safe from that effect.. Was really looking forward to that flavor, since I smoked the Noir version and loved it...
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But it was a completely unnecessary post, haha.

Don't quote me on this, but I think I read it on another forum awhile back. It might have something to do with how the tobacco is baked?

I have NEVER had a pack of Tangiers smell like soy or BBQ sauce. The tea flavors maybe seem to have a hint of this soy sauce kick you guys are talking about, but letting it sti out fora few minutes helps that go away.

I have been lucky enough to never have acclimation problems. I live in Seattle, but I am not sure how similar our environment is compared to that of San Diego humidity wise. Usually I can smoke the stuff straight out of the bag. If not, letting it sit for an hour does the trick.
I've never not had acclimation problems and I live in southern CA!! Tangiers is some finicky stuff tho it's worth it when done right. I think the call on molasses is correct, even tho its blackstrap that typically has a BBQ flavor when cooked...
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What is the cause of the barbecue, soy sauce smell? I've heard because it is an unwashed tobacco but there are many unwashed tobaccos on the market that are ready 2 smoke right out of the bag. So please.. enlighten me
I wonder the same thing!?

I have unwashed tobaccos that smell amazing! May seem a bit pricey $40 for 500gms (but not really if you think of it as $20 per 250) the Ayam Zaman is fantastic! Nice buzz, Nice smoke, Nice smell. Hopefully they will sell the pucks soon so you can try those. 1001 Nights is the MOST requested flavor from my friends when we smoke hookah at my house.

Nakhla is one of my favs .. and I don't have to acclimate that either.

And here is a tip .. if you want a BUZZZZZ Just pack any unwashed tobacco the same way as Tangiers. Filling it to the rim, poking holes through the aluminum foil into the tobacco. You are basically just burning the tobacco instead of heating it .. you will get some monster clouds and major buzz if you burn the crap out of your unwashed. Try it I've done it with Nakhla before as an experiment. But if you want a mellow buzz and some nice flavor, just pack it so there is some space between the foil and tobacco. Manage your heat with a windcover and you will get some nice moderate clouds with maximum flavor

Let us know how it goes ..

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And here is a tip .. if you want a BUZZZZZ Just pack any unwashed tobacco the same way as Tangiers. Filling it to the rim, poking holes through the aluminum foil into the tobacco. You are basically just burning the tobacco instead of heating it .. you will get some monster clouds and major buzz if you burn the crap out of your unwashed. Try it I've done it with Nakhla before as an experiment.
wouldnt that be like breathing in fire? ive burned tangiers a few times and it is not fun at all.
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Well, that is what you are doing by packing it to the point of overflowing and then putting on some foil and "packing" it down. you can do that technique with any tobacco and get the same big clouds and high buzz.

There is a thread around here someplace that talks about how to do it with Nakhla.
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