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Old March 26th, 2010, 09:42 AM
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Well, I have wanted to do this for awhile. Last week, I just decided to buck up, pay for all the expensive products I was going to use, and start up.

here's the deal:

I took plain Desi and lined a large Ziploc with foil. I then sliced up some Vanilla bean (shit was expensive), 3 Whole Cardamom, 3 cinnamon sticks, 2 Star Anise, 8 whole clove, and I have been trying to figure out a way to add in Nutmeg. This is in about 150 grams of Desi. I'm just going to see how this works out, It's all sealed and I have been mixing it every 2 days.

My Questions:
Is there a way to get Nutmeg flavoring in there without grinding it? Can you slice Nutmeg? Could I smash it?

The spice mixture is very strong smelling, and very enjoyable. Anyone know anything about absorption of tobacco, glycerin, molasses, or honey?

Should I use a different container?



I want this to work, and I'm giving it a month. . Comments?
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Old March 26th, 2010, 10:02 AM
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Great Idea. I can't really help you other than definitely viewing this if you were to do a review. I'm very interested to see how this turns out.
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Old March 26th, 2010, 10:06 AM
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Great Idea. I can't really help you other than definitely viewing this if you were to do a review. I'm very interested to see how this turns out.

yeah me too, do they have a "Spice Poisoning Unit" in the E.R. ?
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Old March 26th, 2010, 10:51 AM
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Nutmeg is very hard and brittle. The most common way to use it is shaving it down with a rasp. If you want to be able to remove it later I would suggest using a piece of cheese cloth and smashing the nutmeg into piece. It my only add a little flavor in this way if any at all.
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Old March 26th, 2010, 10:59 AM
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Or use a nutmeg syrup of some kind. Could also try soaking the nutmeg in glycerin or break it up into manageable pieces and toss it in for removal later.

http://www.weberflavors.com/LiquidFlavors.htm

Look under Nutmeg Natural
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this is a really cool idea Zen. Actually tobacco is notorious for absorbing odors so maybe you dont have shave or grind the nutmeg, if you can place a big enough piece in with the rest of the spices (Kal's cheescloth idea is awesome) i think the tobacco would absorb the scent/taste of the nutmeg in the months time.
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Old March 26th, 2010, 11:11 AM
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Nutmeg is very hard and brittle. The most common way to use it is shaving it down with a rasp. If you want to be able to remove it later I would suggest using a piece of cheese cloth and smashing the nutmeg into piece. It my only add a little flavor in this way if any at all.
I thought about this too, but the cheesecloth would absorb too much of the already mixed in liquid ingredients I would think.

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Or use a nutmeg syrup of some kind. Could also try soaking the nutmeg in glycerin or break it up into manageable pieces and toss it in for removal later.

http://www.weberflavors.com/LiquidFlavors.htm

Look under Nutmeg Natural
How true to flavor would you think this would taste? From my experience with flavorings, commercial flavorings are always a bit off, and I would probably want to use something that's more like an extract, for flavor quality and strength mainly. Any idea where I would be able to find an extract maybe?
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this is a really cool idea Zen. Actually tobacco is notorious for absorbing odors so maybe you dont have shave or grind the nutmeg, if you can place a big enough piece in with the rest of the spices (Kal's cheescloth idea is awesome) i think the tobacco would absorb the scent/taste of the nutmeg in the months time.
What I'm thinking, about the nutmeg, is that I can get something that shaves off larger chunks, like maybe the larget side of a cheese grater?
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well it sounds a bit extreme but i was thinking what about placing the nutmeg in small vise and using a wood plane to shave off a thick piece?
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Old March 26th, 2010, 11:18 AM
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well it sounds a bit extreme but i was thinking what about placing the nutmeg in small vise and using a wood plane to shave off a thick piece?

hey that's a great idea, I'll see if I can use my girlfriend's father's shop/garage for some culinary/tobacco experiments!
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Nutmeg has an odd structure that makes is fragment and turn to powder very easily when cut. Your best bet it to put it in a towel and then in a plastic bag and hit it with a hammer if you want larger pieces. No jokes.

Personally I would crack them and throw the pieces directly into the tobacco and then fish them out later. May be a bit more tedious but that's the best way i can think to really infuse some flavor into the mix.
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Old March 26th, 2010, 12:05 PM
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Nutmeg has an odd structure that makes is fragment and turn to powder very easily when cut. Your best bet it to put it in a towel and then in a plastic bag and hit it with a hammer if you want larger pieces. No jokes.

Personally I would crack them and throw the pieces directly into the tobacco and then fish them out later. May be a bit more tedious but that's the best way i can think to really infuse some flavor into the mix.
Infusing the flavors by using large chunks and removing them was the plan the whole time, ad this is a great idea. I'm going to buy some whole Nutmeg in a few minutes .
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I've done a little experimenting with this but have only tried using the spice rack style spices(pre-ground). Lately I've been trying to figure out how to get cinnamon to work because it is far far more subtle than cloves which I've figured out pretty well already. Sounds like you have a great idea of where to start, best of luck and report back!
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Old March 26th, 2010, 12:15 PM
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I've done a little experimenting with this but have only tried using the spice rack style spices(pre-ground). Lately I've been trying to figure out how to get cinnamon to work because it is far far more subtle than cloves which I've figured out pretty well already. Sounds like you have a great idea of where to start, best of luck and report back!
The cinnamon was a task, I must say. the outside of the bark of the stick tends to not be as flavorful as the inside. I tried soaking it in warm water to get it to loosen up so i could turn inside out and get at the flavors, but i just ended up cutting it into 1/4's and the aroma is as strong as I think it needs to be
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Old March 26th, 2010, 12:19 PM
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The cinnamon was a task, I must say. the outside of the bark of the stick tends to not be as flavorful as the inside. I tried soaking it in warm water to get it to loosen up so i could turn inside out and get at the flavors, but i just ended up cutting it into 1/4's and the aroma is as strong as I think it needs to be
I agree its pretty mellow in comparison to the other flavors you're using so it might do some good to let it sit in a little longer.
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Ground cinnamon is of a better quality than stick and more often you are able to find the better types of cinnamon in ground form but not in stick.
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nutmeg extract maybe?
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Ground cinnamon is of a better quality than stick and more often you are able to find the better types of cinnamon in ground form but not in stick.

Interesting, so you would recommend the use of ground cinnamon?
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This is a really interesting idea. Can't wait to see how it turns out
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you could try something like a tea ball for your nutmeg. It would expose the moassel the the essence while keeping the 2 seperated.And it wouldn't absorb flavors like a cheesecloth might.
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you could try something like a tea ball for your nutmeg. It would expose the moassel the the essence while keeping the 2 seperated.And it wouldn't absorb flavors like a cheesecloth might.

AHHHHH Perfect!! I'm in Whole food's at the moment, lucky you posted as I was about to go to the checkstand!
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Interesting, so you would recommend the use of ground cinnamon?
I use it in my home made moassel and tobamel.
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I use it in my home made moassel and tobamel.
How did you get the cinnamon out?
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How did you get the cinnamon out?
When I've mixed moassel with cloves or cinnamon, measure out the tobacco first and then I mix in a very small amount(a shake or two). After adding the spices add my molasses and glycerin on top and mix very throughly. I've never had any problems with harshness or burning mixing it in because it is such a small amount and the wetting agents are also added. Your method seems to be a bit different because you're trying to get the tobacco to absorb the aromas of the spices in which case you might be able to take something like a film canister and fill it with the ground cinnamon and then poke holes in the top of the canister(or even go as far as to leave the cap off) and sit it upright in the baggie. After you've let everything sit and stew in its wonderful smells you can open the baggie back up and take out the various spices before smoking.
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I'm not experienced in making moassel, I do homemade incense/balms/and perfumes, but the idea comes to me - why not use essential oils instead of the actual spice? Most oils can be bought in food grade quality and although they are expensive, they're worth it is as you only use a little and they are VERY potent. It's the same idea as oil of peppermint or such in cooking. One or two drops into a few dozen grams of tobacco would be sufficent, I would think.

Essences or extracts may work as well, perhaps better, when I think about the oil/water not mixing thing. Anybody know what base honey or molasses is?
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