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Old April 25th, 2010, 05:21 PM
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Default how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

so i been watching videos on people letting the coal sit ontop of the bowl for atleast 3-5 min and on the first inhale they get large clouds.

so let me explain my set up. I have a 31inch km red pear.
using a narbish v3 hose and a vortex bowl with coconut ql.

i place three coals on top and wait for 5 min.
i get no smoke ? starts of as if i just wasted 5 min.
any suggestion.

could it be the reason i use two layers of foil and packing the tobacco down atlest 1cm below the rim ?
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Old April 25th, 2010, 05:22 PM
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what brand of tobacco are you smoking?
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Old April 25th, 2010, 05:28 PM
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well sometimes i try it witch nakhla.
but most recentrly with black snow 360.its just like starbuzz. extremly wet
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Old April 25th, 2010, 05:28 PM
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Old April 25th, 2010, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

hmmmm. i have a KM and SSC hookah, usually use 1 layer of foil, 3 half pieces of 3king 44mm QL's on a vortex and after 5 minutes i get great smoke. i also smoke starbuzz so that helps a lot too.
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Old April 25th, 2010, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

I dunno man, it's rare to get an amazing cloud the first hit, but I guess if you have a tried and true setup and execute it just right it can happen. Personally, mine take a few minutes to really get going, but it's totally worth the wait!
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I use 3 coconaras on my bowls (vortex, small phunnel, egyptian, doesn't really matter) along with a windcover to start it off, let it sit there and get heated for about 5 minutes and you get big clouds, just watch the heat management after it's hot and ready.

Basically copious amounts of heat will give you huge clouds on the first hit, but without proper heat management you'll burn your bowl alot faster.
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hahah i know what you mean. it just everytime i watch some vids these people are able to pull it off. seems quite amazing to get great smoke on first pull.

and on side note will my tobacco burn faster if i use one sheet of foil. i havent used one sheet in such a long time so i have forgotten. but originaly i chose 2 because it seemed to last longer , but i was more of a newb back then.
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Default Re: how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

skip the hose, take the hit straight from the port, get HUGE clouds
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well to me i dont care about the big clouds, it would be nice though for the hookah to be already started with one hite then me taking five mintues of trying to get it to start. but thanks for all the advice guys
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Default Re: how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

how do you pack your bowl? When I take the time to actually roll out the tobacco leaves and then pack the bowl, I usually get huge clouds starting from the first couple hits.
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Default Re: how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

i dont get huge clouds off the first hit but decent ones. i use a medium funnel bowl with 3 coco's and a wind cover and let it sit for about 5 min and the first hit produces decent clouds, but it still takes a good 5 or so more hits to make the big clouds.
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Default Re: how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

In most videos (or at least in mine) we smoke a bit to make sure it's doing well before starting the review. I imagine this is what most people do, which is why they have smoke available for the first pull they take on video.
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In a couple of my Tangiers videos and also the Crown Classic videos (packed with Tangiers), I get big smoke pretty much right away, in less than a minute. This is due entirely to packing in those cases. The bowl is packed very close to the foil. The big problem with this is that I end up having to move the coals around a lot and in fact often have to drop down to 1 coal for a period of time. If I pack the bowl lower, it takes a few minutes to produce good smoke but the heat management is much easier.

I just finished a bowl of Nakhla DA. That was packed in a medium egyptian, fairly dense pack about 1/4" or so below the rim, 1 layer of heavy duty foil, 3 natural coals and a wind cover. It took 5 minutes or more to get good smoke but once things were going I was pretty well set. I only needed to ash and rotate once during the life of the coals. Actually I rotated twice but the second time really wasn't necessary.
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Things will heat up faster if you use a windcover.
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When I take the time to actually roll out the tobacco leaves and then pack the bowl
How long does this take you? I mean I'm all for taking it easy and enjoying the time both, leading to the session and the session itself, but I'd probably hate it if I'd have to unroll the leaves everytime I'd need to pack a bowl.
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I mean, im not gonna spend an hour doing this or anything. It really doesnt take that much more time to do. Maybe about 5+ min. But, especially with shisha such as Starbuzz or Mizo Nak, there are often nice big leaves to be rolled out, when you do this and lightly layer them into your bowl (i use a phunell so the leaves kinda fit nicely laid down into the ring) the heat goes through the shisha much better IMO and thus gives you almost instant huge clouds. I did this the other night with some a starbuzz/mizo mix and on the second hit I was getting champ clouds. I also double foiled, 3 naras, and actually modded the bowl (simple way with 2x2 sheet of foil, i rarely do this but didnt want to pack too much)
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Try a dash of milk in your vase bro... it works wonders.
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Default Re: how do you get huge clouds with the first hit

Double foil, 3 Starlight Nats on a Vortex bowl for 5 minutes usually results in big clouds for most tobacco. Knowing the tobacco also helps. For instance, Social Smoke I know takes a minute or two while DM takes 15 minutes.
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I use 3 coconaras on my bowls (vortex, small phunnel, egyptian, doesn't really matter) along with a windcover to start it off, let it sit there and get heated for about 5 minutes and you get big clouds, just watch the heat management after it's hot and ready.

Basically copious amounts of heat will give you huge clouds on the first hit, but without proper heat management you'll burn your bowl alot faster.
I agree with SonOfGram on this one! That is my setup too!

You could try some better coals, a good natural coal (Coconara, Exotica, Starlight, etc) Put you windcover on and go make yourself some tea. Come back and smoke, first pull or second will be tasty and fluffy clouds!

Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvYbwtCnn8
.. I setup my bowl, placed my coals on, and then got some tea made before shooting the video. Came back, about 5 minutes later, and had about one to two pulls to prime the hookah. Then I shot the video. So the smoke you see is number three and four pull. The smoke is very full and fluffy, but I have a ceiling fan on low and that dissipated the smoke, but you can still see that they are some nice clouds

Good Luck! Let us know how it goes ..
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3 coals + windcover
after 5 minutes fir most tobacco should be good to go
some tobaccos take as much as 15 minutes
also a loose pack is harder to heat manage and does nat taste as good bit it will produce bigger clouds thanks to more surface area
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so basically what your all saying. instead of puffing on it to get good smoke. i should leave the coals on for like 5 mins and then puff?
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so basically what your all saying. instead of puffing on it to get good smoke. i should leave the coals on for like 5 mins and then puff?
Correct. Make sure all the tobacco is heated before you take a pull. The better you know the tobacco you are smoking the better you will become at getting huge clouds.
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so basically what your all saying. instead of puffing on it to get good smoke. i should leave the coals on for like 5 mins and then puff?
right, this way your baking your tobacco rather than searing it
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right, this way your baking your tobacco rather than searing it
gotcha. will try it later tonight and il let you know how it goes
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