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Old May 4th, 2010, 11:17 PM
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hey i am new but i thought smoking with tinfoil is really bad for you. or do the coals not burn toxic stuff off to be inhaled
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Old May 4th, 2010, 11:21 PM
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your supposed to use aluminum foil and the coal don't usually burn anything its more of a baking process
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Old May 4th, 2010, 11:30 PM
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I would recommend Reynolds Rap HD (Heavy Duty) foil, works awesome.

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Old May 4th, 2010, 11:31 PM
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aluminum foil is the way to go...and no it wont be burnt in the smoking process.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 12:20 AM
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Always shiny side down facing the bowl
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Old May 5th, 2010, 01:43 AM
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Always shiny side down facing the bowl
i am really convinced that this is a myth
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Old May 5th, 2010, 02:18 AM
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try using

The Bird Healthy Aluminum Chips

100pcs of foil in a box, very thick foil, precut for hookahs. thats wut i ONLY use =)
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Old May 5th, 2010, 03:01 AM
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Photolinger has an epic post about this. Theres no way the aluminum will dissolve. Coals burn from 200 to 300 degrees. Aluminum foil only burns at around 1000.

Also, photolinger said something to the effect that, even if you could get it to burn, the water with bind with it and neutralize it.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 08:38 AM
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yeah as the alluminum passes through the water (and even air) it will oxidize extremley quickly and sink to the bottom of the base so you really shouldnt inhale any of it
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Old May 5th, 2010, 04:49 PM
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Any metal in excess is dangerous when ingested. but keep this in mind:

The reason they say aluminum dangerous is because it's been linked to Alzheimer's. While the people studied with Alzheimer's have a much higher content of aluminum in their bloodstream this doesn't mean that the aluminum was the cause, only that they retain it. Classic case of correlation doesn't necessitate causation. (One thing that the news is always guilty of putting out there. Their logic seems to be that study shows correlation between A and B, therefore A must cause B.)

Looking at aluminum oxide, it basically instantly covers the surface of aluminum when exposed to oxygen, so even when you have foil out of the box, it already has a layer of aluminum oxide. Another property of aluminum oxide is that it is very hygroscopic. Basically meaning that if it does come off the surface of the foil (which I find fairly unlikely, most of the foil is perpendicular to the flow of air) it will most likely absorb the water and become part of the water. I don't think the temperatures we are dealing with here have much to do with the production of aluminum oxide anyways, so overall I think it's not a huge issue.

After a full session with just straight aluminum foil, the foil generally seems unchanged for me (no obvious oxidation, which would be seen as a dull patch). If the foil does in fact oxidize it would probably cling to the shisha itself and the water. The amount that you will receive (if at all) is most likely marginal. I wouldn't worry about it - save yourself some money and just use the aluminum foil.

On another note if someone has an infrared thermometer and wants to measure the temperature on different types of coal when they are the most hot, I'd be interested to find out what kind of temperature we are looking at. the temperature to burn charcoal is much greater than the temperature to melt aluminum and obviously that isn't occurring so it must be much less than that. Aluminum doesn't get cherry red like steel so it's obviously hard to observe that. But then again, it shouldn't affect the oxidation of the aluminum.

If I am wrong tell me, but I'm pretty sure I read correctly.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 03:35 PM
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I TIG weld aluminum and you can notice oxidation when you have applied extreme heat But again, I simply dont believe aluminum foil will burn with just coals.
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i am really convinced that this is a myth
It's deffinately a myth.I don't see any difference between the shiny side and the other.. I use both, just depends on how I pick up the foil. I always pack my bowl the same way, Vortex densely packed with 3CoCoNaras.. Sometimes shiny sometimes non, it smokes the same everytime.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 04:14 PM
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There is a video about this posted by MrBungle, i believe its the 20th post on the first page.http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/showt...ht=shiney+side
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hey i am new but i thought smoking with tinfoil is really bad for you. or do the coals not burn toxic stuff off to be inhaled
use aluminum foil buddy.....
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Old May 9th, 2010, 11:37 AM
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me 2lol
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good post maxwell quite informative
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Default Re: foil?

Smoking with tin foil is bad... Which is why you use Aluminum foil.
Simple question, simple answer!
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Old May 9th, 2010, 05:39 PM
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Smoking with tin foil is bad... Which is why you use Aluminum foil.
Simple question, simple answer!
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lol dick
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Old May 10th, 2010, 12:19 AM
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Aluminum foil works perfect, and it never burns, put it shiny side down, i use the reynolds wrap
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Old May 10th, 2010, 12:29 AM
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actually in some countries they use no foil. just small pieices of coals and straight onto the tobacca
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Old May 11th, 2010, 01:15 AM
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I went no foil tonight on some zagloul, woah!
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Old May 11th, 2010, 01:43 AM
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Its prolly been said before but the coals cant heat the foil to a high enough temperature to release the bad... shit. lol
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lol dick
Why you got to go an call me a dick for? Dick..
Lol, anyways, it was only the truth.. Simple answers for simple questions.
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