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Old July 9th, 2007, 08:45 PM
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Seriously people, don't do it -- don't even consider it. Once people start allowing themselves to spend that much money on one brand, up go the prices of the rest.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 09:53 PM
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Nice to see you around Cymptom.

I think you have a point in that in almost any market suppliers will always ajust prices upward if they think they can get away with. That is a good reason not to buy stuff that is wildly expensive even if it is great.

Still, I think that narghile smoking needs to get a braoder base then 20 somethings because frankly tha market is too subject fads and I can see a lot of people that are smoking narghiles now giving up on it in a few months. I would be good for the scene if a high end market segment, a small one, came around and such a market shouldn't result in crazy prices for most of us. Nazar and talked about this a bit and it's something I think would be good although 6USD for 15g is crazy no matter what. Perhaps half that for something fantastic would be worth getting once or twice a year.
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It really doesn't matter how good this stuff is. Even if it gave me an orgasm with every puff, I wouldn't pay $6 for 15g. Hell, I wouldn't pay over $20 for 250g. Seriously people, don't do it -- don't even consider it. Once people start allowing themselves to spend that much money on one brand, up go the prices of the rest. Don't pay $6 for 15 grams -- don't pay it for 25 or 50 or 75 grams. To me, it only begins to make sense around $6 for 100g.

That said, I doubt there will be a major improvement in the shisha. Just a hunch, I guess. But the only way I'd try it is for free -- and if the distributor was confident in the quality of the shisha, I'm sure he'd be giving out free samples like almost every other brand has done.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 07:30 AM
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From HF, here's what they think is Smiley's Dist new site:

http://www.dealbreaker.org/home.htm

I said think. The dude hasn't been online to deny or confirm as of 8:28am EST.

But their prices are crazy - not just shisha. A box of coals for $39.95 (3 eagles or starlights), a MYA QT for 73.95 (does come w/ smiley bowl) and a crystal hookah for $549.95 (no bowl - just standard mya)

Scary...insane.

But it's his choice, if it's the death of him, he choose it.
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I'll take my chances with Layalina, Al Waha, Nakhla, Al Fakher ... etc...
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But their prices are crazy - not just shisha. A box of coals for $39.95 (3 eagles or starlights), a MYA QT for 73.95 (does come w/ smiley bowl) and a crystal hookah for $549.95 (no bowl - just standard mya)

Scary...insane.

But it's his choice, if it's the death of him, he choose it.
I don't get it, how could someone justify that sort of pricing?
The rip off tourist trap head shops on Duval try to sell MYA Acrylics for $125, yes, but that's taking advantage of usually uneducated people looking for something different on vacation and all. If you're marketing to an educated community,especially one that is already familiar with/used to you, how can you expect your business to thrive with extravagant mark-ups like these?
Gah. It's just weird.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 05:14 PM
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This whole thing is so crazy that frankly I wonder what Smiley and his distributors are thinking. I gather from the other forum that the OPD guy is not looking to hardcore narghile fans to buy his stuff but it seems that they are mostly interested in the casual buyer and the people that only smoke at lounges. Those people are not likely to be up on what stuff costs and it seems the theory is that they will be well off professional types that will try Smiley's stuff, and be so impressed that they will buy it no matter what the cost is.

The super huge markups on coals and Mya stuff is simply hoping to rip off the not so bright. Frankly I hope the whole venture goes down in flames.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 05:16 PM
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Truthfully, I don't think they are cattering to the educated hookah smoker - they are trying to snatch up the noobie or window shopper, "Look at the pretty boxes, don't they look so nice and fancy...."

*sigh* True hoookah'ers probalby won't bother with the shisha, but the new ones will - they will find cheaper and better brands.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 06:17 PM
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I just googled the company and it seems that they mainly make money from porn which in and of itself makes me not want anything to do with anything they sell. Setting that aside they guy is obnoxious and his prices are insane. What brought OPD and and a seemingly sane, nice guy like Smiley together I shudder to think. I see a flashing red light over OPD saying stay away!
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LOL @ Halo. We had a good laugh about this last night on chat!

Getting back to the topic :-

Surley this whole episode with smiley is a nail in his commercial coffin? (I think y'll know who i am by now)

He created a whole wedge of issues on HF. He flounced around here and left like a bloody fairy. What's wrong with the guy?

It's a shame. As I have said a number of times I thought that smiley's might be a good start and a work-in-progress heading toward greatness.

G-d only know what this is!

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It makes me sad that the OPD guy is not wanting to appeal to us. (The hard core hookah community even though we're not even 40% of the market) he knows that everyone here already knows the deal and by his posts shows that he is not wanting our business. What is sad is, because we are a market to reckon with because we are two of the major hookah communities and we are also REPEAT customers.. We'd be more help to the business and their pockets if they were tactful and weren't in it to price gouge.

He is wanting the noobs and the "elite". Nobody in there right mind that KNOWS the hookah industry is going to drop that money on that stuff.

Plus his whole blowing up about the site and saying it wasn't for our eyes. That's bullshit. Youshouldn't post something on the web if you dont want it read. I guess his momma never told him don't write anything down that you dont want seen.

I had a HUGE laugh at the whole PrOn thing and the "glass" that we're dealing with a head shop type marketer and not your normal hookah conissuer (sp) like 99% of reputable companines. Such a shame.

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Old July 13th, 2007, 04:06 PM
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Well, a friend of mine should in theory be getting some of the "new" Smiley samples sometime next week. I reviewed three Smiley flavours in the "new and improved" (that means plain looking jars) recently and damn, it was the worst smoke I've had in a long time. The guy that brought it from Arizona dumped four new jars in the trash.

The OPD guy has done a terrible job representing Smiley so far but maybe he just can't take the ton of criticism he's gotten. But the truth is that for the prices he wants to charge he would need to have a reputation like Davidoff and the quality to go with it but frankly, I just don't see the American market shelling out big bucks for shisha when so many great brands can be had for less.

The "you were not supposed to look at my website" stuff was just nuts and really says something about the kind operation that OPD is running.

One thing that I had not thought of that KK brought up was that maybe Smiley is giving up on the mainstream shisha market and going after the "stoner" market. Looking around the "herbal highs" sites it's pretty clear that the prices are shocking and perhaps the kind of people that frequent head shops have more money then the typical narghile fan. I also suspected that the "asskicker" product line is meant to appeal to the "legal stoner" market so it could be that Smiley will make lots of money from head shops and clueless, occasional hookah types that don't know what stuff should cost.
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The things with his excuse why it (his website) was online was lame and weak - i have 4 websites. If I'm working on one of them, i can UNPUBLISH the site until I'm finished working on it. Unpublished, I can even give you the URL and you can't view it. AND... I can password protect 2 of the sites, so no password = no entry.

Plus is whole attitude on criticism was childish. We at the forums may not make up a huge chunk of the market, but we are the general market - the main repeat customers. Plus we do offer a considerable "word of mouth" base that I know has gained several new users - which appear to be his main target audience.

I'm would be willing to "try" the shisha if it is provided free, but not I am not spending money on the product. Not with the attitude of the distributor or it's creator.

But if it is "high quality" product, then things may change - but they both have done considerable damage. And neither seems willing to make repairs.
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Recap of events by opd

it's a high quality product, let me bash it into your brain about how high quality it is.... How do I know because I smoke it......

you're not the entire market

Quality quality

rant and rabble

Quality- it's amazing compared to gold! or something......

that's not the actual price, i never said price yadda

that site is not for you eyes childish tantrum

back to qualityagain

and apparently all oh his posts have been deleted over there now? I guess he got tired of everyone nit picking what he said or looking like a sleezy pRon dealer/ head shop type company?
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I remember reading a lot about the issue of exchanges/refunds and OPDs claim that since taste is subjective he wouldn't give you any unless the product was dried out and how no one in the tobacco business would give you a real guarantee about taste.

Well recently I had some cigars that tasted like crap, didn't burn evenly and just plain sucked that I got from Thompson 's which is hardly a high end company. I called them up, complained and the woman said "well as long as you smoked 12 or less out the box (of 25) i'll send you an RMA and once we get them you can get either a refund, credit or exchange for another box."

I got some Al Waha honey recently from The Hookah Company which I thought was crap and called George up who said "no problem, i'll get you another package sent out today."

That is how how you deal with customers. Saying "My stuff is the best quality but if you don't like it tough luck" like OPD did is not the way to go.
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I remember reading a lot about the issue of exchanges/refunds and OPDs claim that since taste is subjective he wouldn't give you any unless the product was dried out and how no one in the tobacco business would give you a real guarantee about taste.

Well recently I had some cigars that tasted like crap, didn't burn evenly and just plain sucked that I got from Thompson 's which is hardly a high end company. I called them up, complained and the woman said "well as long as you smoked 12 or less out the box (of 25) i'll send you an RMA and once we get them you can get either a refund, credit or exchange for another box."

I got some Al Waha honey recently from The Hookah Company which I thought was crap and called George up who said "no problem, i'll get you another package sent out today."

That is how how you deal with customers. Saying "My stuff is the best quality but if you don't like it tough luck" like OPD did is not the way to go.
ya thompsons really sucks. They've always sent me dried cigars that end up tasting horrific. I now deal with mostly cigars international, they're quick on shipping and have a larger selection.
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Old July 14th, 2007, 12:35 PM
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Great to hear from you Merkaba and I hope to see more of you here.

Thompsons is not a great company but even they stood behind the stuff they sold me so in the end everything was fine and once in a while I get a good deal from them. Cigars International is way over priced in my opinion so I never use them any more but they do have good products. I personally like Carey's but JR Cigar is no doubt the best i've dealt with.

I just mentioned Thompsons as an example of a tobacco company that does back it's products as way of pointing out how OPD's way of handling complaints is totally unacceptable and doubly so as he is trying to position Smiley's as the world's best shisha.
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Great to hear from you Merkaba and I hope to see more of you here.

Thompsons is not a great company but even they stood behind the stuff they sold me so in the end everything was fine and once in a while I get a good deal from them. Cigars International is way over priced in my opinion so I never use them any more but they do have good products. I personally like Carey's but JR Cigar is no doubt the best i've dealt with.

I just mentioned Thompsons as an example of a tobacco company that does back it's products as way of pointing out how OPD's way of handling complaints is totally unacceptable and doubly so as he is trying to position Smiley's as the world's best shisha.
yea.

hes probably trying to distance himself on the trendy side of the market. Some of his shishas are considered somewhat unorthodox and he might be trying to capitalize on that. The whole willy wonka stuff sounds good in your head, but from what I heard it doesn't smoke as well as it should.
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i just got a look at his prices and i cant believe it. kinda depressing to see this happen but oh well. no educated person is gonna pay that much for any of that stuff.
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sexyshisha.com is the new site, dont know itf it's been posted or not. It's just weird. It's not the same smiley we all used to know and care about. It just makes me sad.
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yeah, i saw the site a lil bit ago and it makes me very sad to see what's become of him.
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