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Old December 2nd, 2008, 09:43 PM
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It's 20$ and under, 60$ and under for gifts. Supposedly that doesn't apply on Tobacco. And anyway, it all depends on the mood of the customs kids, I've had 200$ packages that didn't get taxed and 25$ ones that got taxed for like 1.50$.

From my experience, it's best to order in winter since they seem to lazy to tax us.
Frig ... Bah! I want to "GIFT" my $200 shisha order to a vendor and the they can "RE-GIFT" it to me
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Old December 3rd, 2008, 02:38 AM
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[FONT=Verdana]I also find they do tend to tax less during this time of year. Normally with other tobacco the value doesn’t matter but with Shisha tobacco it does. The new tax law on shisha tobacco is for $10 of shisha there is a $30 tax. This is because the weight on a box of shisha is not all tobacco and there is no fair way of taxing how much tobacco is in the box. This is why if a vendor is willing to mark down the package and NOT put in the original invoice showing the value of the purchase then there is no problem. Customs could always by chance open the box and declare what they think the package is really worth but that is normally either way too high or much lower. You can of course dispute this with them if you ever had to.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]It’s obvious the tax is so outrageous to scare people from not importing shisha tobacco. Which I wouldn’t have to do if they didn’t make it so hard for tobacco dealers in Canada to import it for us. If they don’t want us buying from outside of Canada and that is what is going on here, why don’t they just make it easier for people here to buy from their local vendors? But that will never happen this is Canada and we pay $10 for a pack a cigarettes![/FONT]

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Old December 3rd, 2008, 09:51 AM
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[FONT=Verdana]I also find they do tend to tax less during this time of year. Normally with other tobacco the value doesnít matter but with Shisha tobacco it does. The new tax law on shisha tobacco is for $10 of shisha there is a $30 tax. This is because the weight on a box of shisha is not all tobacco and there is no fair way of taxing how much tobacco is in the box. This is why if a vendor is willing to mark down the package and NOT put in the original invoice showing the value of the purchase then there is no problem. Customs could always by chance open the box and declare what they think the package is really worth but that is normally either way too high or much lower. You can of course dispute this with them if you ever had to.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Itís obvious the tax is so outrageous to scare people from not importing shisha tobacco. Which I wouldnít have to do if they didnít make it so hard for tobacco dealers in Canada to import it for us. If they donít want us buying from outside of Canada and that is what is going on here, why donít they just make it easier for people here to buy from their local vendors? But that will never happen this is Canada and we pay $10 for a pack a cigarettes![/FONT]
Just more ways of controlling what you can do with your body. Honestly nothing the Canadian government does regarding tobacco is gonna surprise me anymore after issuing their latest cigarettes law. Now vendors who sell cigarettes have to keep the cigarettes covered. SUPPOSEDLY that won't attract new people to smoke. The unbelievably thing is even Tobacco stores have to do it too.

onehourlater: yeah marking tobacco as gift will be useless, the 60$ will still be taxable. Still this is the best time of the year to make an order, a lot of packages go through the boarder because it's christmas and few get taxed because it's winter.
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Old December 3rd, 2008, 12:49 PM
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yeah, I am sort of throwing in the towel with my last statement out of frustration
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Old December 3rd, 2008, 03:01 PM
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Well if I ever find a vendor that can help us out I will let you guys know.

The only reason they put a tax like this in place is to scare you from ever wanting to import tobacco products again.
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Old December 3rd, 2008, 10:19 PM
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But seriously, can you confirm it's 30$ for 10$?

I did a lot of browsing in the taxes sites, some claimed it's 50%, some 150%. But 300%? that's ridiculous.
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Old December 4th, 2008, 12:24 AM
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[FONT=Verdana]I spoke with CBSA about it; it is $30 for every $10 of shisha tobacco. Shisha tobacco is now under "Manufactured tobacco containing non-tobacco products." I wouldn’t risk it just find a vendor that is willing to mark down the value of the package and will NOT put the invoice in the box and you should be in the clear. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]I spoke with CBSA about it; it is $30 for every $10 of shisha tobacco. Shisha tobacco is now under "Manufactured tobacco containing non-tobacco products." I wouldnít risk it just find a vendor that is willing to mark down the value of the package and will NOT put the invoice in the box and you should be in the clear. [/FONT]
Damn, that's even more expensive that pure tobacco taxes as far as I'm concerned. This is ridiculous.
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[FONT=Verdana]Over the holidays I placed another order with a different vendor. I asked if they could mark down the total value of all the shisha in the box to under $10. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]The order was for 500g of tobacco, 1 small Tangiers phunnel (which is not a small because it is larger than the one I currently own that was marked "medium"), 3x coconara coals, and a few other small items.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]The package arrived without any problems. It sat in customs for about 4 days but I think that may have been because it was shipped after the due date for packages to arrive before Christmas.[/FONT]
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Old January 8th, 2009, 01:23 AM
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Southsmoke.com

MNHookahs.com

********** aka *******Hoookah

Are the best vendors in my experience I order on a monthly basis from Southsmoke and I have gotten taxed once and it was because of an error on their part so they actually refunded me the customs.
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Old January 8th, 2009, 02:05 AM
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MN has been great. I tried ordering from SouthSmoke like 4 years ago but I got taxed about $90.00 and never tried again. But I will give them another shot on my next order.
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Old January 12th, 2009, 07:58 PM
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VC: secretsquirrel here from Ontario. I order exclusively thru Hookah Shisha and the trick that I have found is to ask for the most expensive shipping. This way it comes pre-customs cleared and I have had no difficulty as it then doesn't go (per se) physically thru customs. So you pay a bit extar for shipping big deal. My other suggestion are ones that have already been mentioned and there usefulness to you will depend on yuor own situation. If you open a P.O. Box in Buffalo or Niagara Falls for example, no problem. You can look up the cost online or look up the US Postal Service online, get their number for the Office closest to you and go down one day and open one up. You don't even have to get a "big one". A small one will do. If a large package comes (from Hookah Central) you will have some idea roughly of when it will be at the Post Office there, so just plan a trip. The post offices have no difficulty in putting aside a box that won't fit in your PO Box provided it is for a couple of days. Then when you go down to get it (even if it is for a day trip) go pick it up. What you tell Customs when you come back is your own affair. I have spoken to many customs agents and while on the books you have no duty exception on tobacco for a single day trip, the reality is that if you admitted to having a 250 gram pack of sheesha they may not bother with you as they just don't have time for every person who is slightly over the limit for booze, tobbacco, or the daily shopping limit. Worse case is you go inside to pay a small tax on the amount over. However the best advice may be this. If and when you go on vacation (I drive to the Carolinas twice every year without exception) to golf and stay in a hotel near the courses. So just 2 days before leaving I order a whack of sheesha and have it sent to the Hotel that I'm staying at. Upon check in I tell the clerk to expect a package and they have no problem with this (you will find that no motel/hotel does). Then when the package arrives it has enough sheesha for over six months. When I drive back, naturally I have my hotel receipts, all my papers in order, a list of all the souveniers I bought, and of course my wife and I buy a bottle of booze each (in other words all my ducks are in a row). Then at the Border we tell customs that we were golfing, were out of the country 7 days (which we were) bought x amount of stuff valued at whatever and that we each have a bottle of booze and that both my wife and I each have some small packs of loose tobbacco. Plus I have all my receipts. Point is, I'm being honest. Do I tell them how much sheesha I have at first no. I wait to see if they ask at which time I tell them several packs and I wait to see if they go further and ask how much. Then I say several packs. I'm still not lying. I have never had a problem. Worse case scenario would be that if they ask exactly how many and I will tell the truth and say (for example 10 packs) they have the choice of not bothering with me and sending me thru (which they have) or they make you pay the extra duty. Remember, I haven't lied, so I'm not in trouble. I'm simply playing a game of "back and forth" to see if they are going to ask me exactly how much and then if they even bother having me come in to pay the duty as everything in my story is true, receipts, etc. Remember, it is not against the law to bring in extra tobacco or booze, you are expected though to declare it and then pay the extra. Another option (although a pain in the ass and a bit more expensive) is to simply order 250 gram box at a time. That way the value is not over $20 and it shouldn't be a problem other than having to do it a lot and pay more often for shipping. Worse case scenario again, is that if you package is stopped by Customs and found to be Sheesha, no big deal, they simply put the extra tax on it and send it thru. Then when you go to the post office in Canada to pick it up you simply have to pay the duty. Cheers
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