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Old January 19th, 2009, 11:18 PM
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Tobacco Manufacturers, Wholesalers, Retailers, Their Employees & Customers Must Call Their U.S. Senators and President-Elect Obama!
Today, the 2009 legislation to expand the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) was released by the U.S. House of Representatives. The proposed tax increases on tobacco products have changed somewhat as shown in the chart below. Several changes to the tax increases include a $.40 cap per large cigar and the roll-your-own tobacco tax increasing from $1.0969 per pound to $24.62 per pound! The 2007 version of the SCHIP bill had roll-your-own tobacco being taxed at a new rate of $8.9286 per pound.



If passed, the bill becomes effective April 1, 2009 and assesses a floor stocks tax on all manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers for the tobacco products (except large cigars) in inventory on April 1, 2009 with the floor stocks payable by August 1, 2009.


Action Needed: Call U.S. Senators & President-Elect Obama!
Every tobacco manufacturer, wholesaler, retailer, their employees and customers need to call their two U.S. Senators from their state and urge them to oppose the tax increases to fund SCHIP. A list of U.S. Senators by state accompanies this bulletin. Leave a message with each senator’s staff that the SCHIP tax increases will result in large sales declines, employees being laid off and bankrupt retailers and wholesalers due to the floor stocks tax.
Nationwide, up to 117,000 American industry jobs will be lost.

Here's a link to the list of U.S. Senators' telephone numbers.


Call President-Elect Obama’s Transition Office at 202-540-3000
When calling, listen to the message and Press 2 to speak to a live person. Tell the staff person that President-Elect Obama needs to be a man of his word and keep his campaign promise not to raise taxes on any American making under $250,000 a year and that this includes not raising cigarette and tobacco taxes to fund SCHIP. Do not allow the staff person to refer to you President-Elect Obama’s website to e-mail your message. Tell the staff person that the SCHIP bill will raise taxes on 43 million Americans who buy tobacco products and President-Elect Obama needs to find a different way to fund the SCHIP program.


Consequences For Retailers Would Be Significant
If Congress passes the bill to expand the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) by significantly increasing the federal cigarette and tobacco taxes, the fallout from this expansion of government subsidized health care will likely include major cigarette and tobacco sales reductions, large increases in the number of store robberies because the value of tobacco products would be so high, a floor stocks tax on cigarette and tobacco inventory adding up to an estimated $5,000 per store, employee layoffs and even store closings.

The SCHIP program is a top priority for Democrats and may result in the single largest tax increase on one industry’s products in the history of the country. With President-Elect Obama a supporter of SCHIP, the possibility of a tobacco tax increase to fund the expansion looms large even though Obama made campaign promises not to increase taxes on any one who earns less than $250,000. The 2007 SCHIP bills proposed the following increases in the federal tobacco excise tax rates.


Philip Morris Launches Website to Combat Federal Cigarette Tax Increase
In the effort assist wholesalers, retailers and their adult customers contact their U.S. Representatives to oppose future increases in the federal cigarette tax increase, Philip Morris USA has created the www.stopthefetincrease.com

Under the banner theme of “No Means No” to federal cigarette tax increases, the Philip Morris website allows wholesalers, retailers and their adult customers to fill in their name and address information and easily send an e-mail message to their specific U.S. Representative urging the elected official to oppose federal cigarette tax increases. Also, the website provides a toll-free number to be called so that the caller can be connected to their U.S. Representative’s office. To visit the Philip Morris website, click on the link below: Click on the link below to visit www.stopthefetincrease.com
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Old January 19th, 2009, 11:22 PM
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I really despise public programs. Fend for yourself, if you can't; die in a gutter somewhere.
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Old January 19th, 2009, 11:23 PM
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so like 250 grams is ~.55 lbs....so you are looking at ~1.50$ increase per tub.
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Old January 19th, 2009, 11:30 PM
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oh my fricking lord............
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Old January 19th, 2009, 11:32 PM
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tax something else.
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tax something else.
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Old January 19th, 2009, 11:47 PM
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Didn't we have that whole " no taxation without representation" thing along time ago... I'm feeling I'm not represented anymore......... And i VOTE every single election...
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but when you have elected officials who want to stay in office they are going to go with the popular vote and when it comes to tobacco. theyre going against it.
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It's no big surprise. People who want universal health care and smoke, you are all mixed up. Every country that has universal health care, tobacco costs an arm and a leg. They have to pay for it somehow, and if you are going to smoke you are going to pay more.
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[FONT=Verdana]With every post like this I feel I need to step in and say it one more time. What you guys pay for tobacco is a joke! A $1.50 raise per tub is not going to force you to have to get a loan each time you want to smoke. Does this suck? Absolutely! But I do like how this is the first thread that I have seen where someone has told people to take action, if you are not willing to do that nothing will ever change. It doesn’t matter if you voted or not, you have to continue to fight to get what you want. Over time taxes on tobacco and alcohol and anything else that is not an essential to the quality of life will continue to go up. Right now they are saying it has to go to help SCIHP, in Canada they say it has to go up to help pay for all the extra stress we smokers put on the healthcare system (OHIP). Be happy that what you are paying right because when you compare the price of tobacco to the price in Canada and parts of Europe what you pay is a small amount compared to what we have to pay ($60-$80/250g). [/FONT]
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Old January 20th, 2009, 01:31 PM
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I've got a thread up about this tax and how it's helping to pay for universal health care for illegal aliens in the yada yada section.

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It's no big surprise. People who want universal health care and smoke, you are all mixed up. Every country that has universal health care, tobacco costs an arm and a leg. They have to pay for it somehow, and if you are going to smoke you are going to pay more.

Not exactly. Japan has reasonable tobacco taxes and an excellent universal health care system. As to Europa and Canada it's true they have ridiculously high taxes however, those taxes support massive social democratic welfare states rather then just universal health care.
If you want to consider taxes and budgets I would suggest that the 3 trillion spent on acquiring colonies in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the cost of keeping troops in nearly every nation on the planet could be better spent on a great number of things (like health care) with plenty left over and no tax increases. It all comes down to what you want to spend money on and how you spend it.

I will also point out that Americans spend more per capita on health care then many country with nationalized health care and that as it is most Americans simply can't afford health care so it's not as if you guys are getting a decent value for money as it is. I will also point out that a great deal of the health costs in European nations stem from the disproportionate burden immigrants place on the system and that prior to the the massive influx of immegrants the quality and cost of care was better then is curerently the case. So in the end, you can't talk about a complicated subject like health care by itself.

Tobacco is taxed and smokers abused because we are an easy target with no real representation. That won't change until smokers make it happen.

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