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Old February 1st, 2009, 11:51 PM
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I want to use something like these:
http://www.jaysfurnitureproducts.com...-banquette.jpg

I think those would work well in the front room.
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Since you're in AZ... there's a few Tempe lounges to check out and get some ideas:
King Tuts - 1125 E Apache Blvd. They have raised sections for specifically hookahs. 4 raised booths closed booths, and one larger raised section for more people. the hookah area is ALL on pillows and cushiony mats. very authentic looking
Hubbly Bubbly - southwest corner of apache + Mcclintock. modern style with some tv's and very soft couches, dim lighting and black lights. ((well, they JUST moved there and havent been in there but their LAST lounge was set up that way))
Cafe Istanbul - 1310 E Apache Blvd # 101. lounge is upstairs over their shop + cafe. it's all comfortable couches, not necessarily modern though. Many decorations for a Middle eastern theme.

((i'm not commenting on their services, some are better than others... but their setups are worth a looksee))

As far as riff raff coming into a pool hall... i'll second that. The place i FIRST started my hookah journey was a poolhall/hookah lounge... and i became good friends with the owner and he worked for a very very long time establishing a clientele with good people and kicking out the unwanted people. a LONG process. BUT i do love playing pool and smoking. Nothing better.

But my BIGGEST recommendation... please keep the music volume down. I HATE having to YELL to my friends sitting right next to me.
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only problem i see with it are the pool tables possibly knockint someone on the back of a head ..and why smoke hookah and play pool together?
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 08:19 AM
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o as to modern vs authentic, i like it towards the more modern personally but i dont mind the authentic. if you play music i suggest not only playing middl eastern stuff and what ever you do dont play rap

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I like my back supported and I like to get comfortable. My one complaint about my favorite place is they have nice padded seats but there is one position for me and my wife to both sit on it and that is straight up. It is 90 degree angles and that just gets uncomfortable quickly.
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Looks cool
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The main thing is get decent seats, don't cheap out on them, they have to be nice and relaxing

And don't get a pool table its a waste of space and people only do one or the other, play pool or smoke, the place i go to, the shisha is crap but they have great atmospehere and we play pol.

V.I.P area is a good idea, maybe if you have enough space have enclosed rooms, so people who want to smoke privatly can, and people that like socialising can do that as well, but it all depends on the floor layout and how much space you have.

Also i have been to some shisha bars where they are massive pillows on the floor and you sit on the floor and relax, like shisha bars in india

You might also need to think about, is the only reason people gonna come is for the shisha, lets face it most shisha in shisha cafes are crap, not saying your's will be, but you might need another attraction for people to come, like good food, or even a little game's area when big games are on, people can come chill smoke drink etc and watch the game
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:09 PM
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just thought id throw in my two cents...... I personaly like the idea of sofas, lazy boys or recliners pointer toward a nice tv set up would be nice too. i really dont like the idea of pillows on the floor, i have a bad back and i get uncomfortable sitting on the floor with no back rest. Plus sofas are another source of income, lots of people loose change in them. lol I would be less likely to choose a lounge that has fewer sofas resorting to floor sitting....just my 2 cents
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Since you're in AZ... there's a few Tempe lounges to check out and get some ideas:
King Tuts - 1125 E Apache Blvd. They have raised sections for specifically hookahs. 4 raised booths closed booths, and one larger raised section for more people. the hookah area is ALL on pillows and cushiony mats. very authentic looking
Hubbly Bubbly - southwest corner of apache + Mcclintock. modern style with some tv's and very soft couches, dim lighting and black lights. ((well, they JUST moved there and havent been in there but their LAST lounge was set up that way))
Cafe Istanbul - 1310 E Apache Blvd # 101. lounge is upstairs over their shop + cafe. it's all comfortable couches, not necessarily modern though. Many decorations for a Middle eastern theme.

((i'm not commenting on their services, some are better than others... but their setups are worth a looksee))

As far as riff raff coming into a pool hall... i'll second that. The place i FIRST started my hookah journey was a poolhall/hookah lounge... and i became good friends with the owner and he worked for a very very long time establishing a clientele with good people and kicking out the unwanted people. a LONG process. BUT i do love playing pool and smoking. Nothing better.

But my BIGGEST recommendation... please keep the music volume down. I HATE having to YELL to my friends sitting right next to me.
I plan to keep the music level very low, enough that you can hear it, but not loud that you have to speak loudly for someone a few feet away to here you. For the music selection, I plan on having a chill mix of middle eastern mixes, reggae, etc. I might also play some sublime, marley, etc.

I have been to a few of the ones you listed, their main focus is the food, not the hookah. I plan to have a variety of cafe type foods, but I want to offer great hookahs and great shisha, I am not going to skimp out just to make a few extra dollars each month.

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The main thing is get decent seats, don't cheap out on them, they have to be nice and relaxing

And don't get a pool table its a waste of space and people only do one or the other, play pool or smoke, the place i go to, the shisha is crap but they have great atmospehere and we play pol.

V.I.P area is a good idea, maybe if you have enough space have enclosed rooms, so people who want to smoke privatly can, and people that like socialising can do that as well, but it all depends on the floor layout and how much space you have.

Also i have been to some shisha bars where they are massive pillows on the floor and you sit on the floor and relax, like shisha bars in india

You might also need to think about, is the only reason people gonna come is for the shisha, lets face it most shisha in shisha cafes are crap, not saying your's will be, but you might need another attraction for people to come, like good food, or even a little game's area when big games are on, people can come chill smoke drink etc and watch the game
The giant pillows are a great idea, I am looking into seating options now.

I cannot have alcohol due to the laws, so its going to be limited to soft drinks and bottled drinks.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 04:07 PM
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The giant pillows are a great idea, I am looking into seating options now.

I cannot have alcohol due to the laws, so its going to be limited to soft drinks and bottled drinks.
I like the way your doing your reasearch on how he consumer likes it, i wish someone in london had a vision of a hookah bar like you

Another thing, use natural coals, i think they work out cheaper and are way better then the QL, maybe exoticas or even coconara's as i got a quote of $7.00 for a box of 84 in bulk orders of 12 or more

Have a good selection of shisha, maybe more then one brand, everyone in the UK sells only AF in lounges and i'm thinking why not stock up with other stuff

And if possible have like a vortex or phunnel option for more money, cos lets face it not much more tobacco goes into a small phunnel compared to a decent sized clay bowl
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 04:15 PM
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I like the way your doing your reasearch on how he consumer likes it, i wish someone in london had a vision of a hookah bar like you

Another thing, use natural coals, i think they work out cheaper and are way better then the QL, maybe exoticas or even coconara's as i got a quote of $7.00 for a box of 84 in bulk orders of 12 or more

Have a good selection of shisha, maybe more then one brand, everyone in the UK sells only AF in lounges and i'm thinking why not stock up with other stuff

And if possible have like a vortex or phunnel option for more money, cos lets face it not much more tobacco goes into a small phunnel compared to a decent sized clay bowl
I am planning on using exotica finger naturals, I can get them for around $4 a box.

For shisha, I am planning on using Al-Fakher, Al-Amir, Nakhla, Starbuzz, and Layalina. I might even use a local brand I found called Deja Vu depending on the wholesale price.
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I am planning on using exotica finger naturals, I can get them for around $4 a box.

For shisha, I am planning on using Al-Fakher, Al-Amir, Nakhla, Starbuzz, and Layalina. I might even use a local brand I found called Deja Vu depending on the wholesale price.
Nice selection, i wanna come to try the shisha now
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 04:23 PM
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different themed rooms seems like a great idea.. even though it is related to illegal substances, a Rasta Styled Room with maybe some bob marley playing would be something id be really eager to smoke in, as well as a room with blacklights and some nice Pepper or Sublime type music playing, as well as the traditional eastern style room. I dont have the time do draw up any floorplans or anything, but those ideas seem like something that would bring in the older people, as well as the people who are younger. Profitability is key, and to only draw a certain style of crowd would be foolish in my opinion.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 04:36 PM
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Oh yh i was at this resturant once and they had enclosed rooms for groups and what they did, was a bose ipod conneting speaker, so if youy have your own room you can listen to wotever you like, as most people have ipods now

I think little bose speakers or other good quality ipod speakers would be a good idea
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Well in my room i have a darker atmosphere with grey walls and black accents all over and a large blacklight in one corner with studio lighting on the rails on the ceiling. I think that having multiples themes along with a VIP room and a General room would be your best bet. Some ideas on the themed rooms

- Modern, darker in color with chrome/glass, dimly lit/blacklight/colored lights
- Middle Eastern feel, warm colors with lots of fabric on walls (this will give the room a nice hookah smell), large pillows (not for sitting, just atmosphere), and dim lights perhaps with Middle Eastern art on walls/ceiling. Also have a sign in the room that informs people of traditional hookah ettiqute like never using your left hand, always set hose down when passing, dont point hose ect...dont have them required, but make it reccomended to get the full experience.
- Bob Marley, well, this is a toughy because of its illegal connotation, but i think as a business decision, this might introduce people who do smoke illegal substances to hookah. Also bob marley just creates a super relaxing atmosphere, the only problem i could see arising is someone misunderstanding that room for a "illegal substance room" but if you put posters up with rules everywhere then it should be fine.

Music: of course the music must fit each room so with the modern room, some trance, vocal trance, ambient would be nice. Then Middle Eastern music for the other room, and of course bob marley and other reggae for the other room. And, selling shirts promoting each of those themed rooms would be a fun idea.

The VIP room should have a really nice hookah like a sultan or a large KM depending if you want looks vs. smoke quality. and this room should have unlimited shisha/coals for the users and discounted non alcoholic drinks. and just have a nice round couch possibly 4 hookahs in the center. And music should have playlists for the people to use, or have them use their own ipod to play stuff.

And at the Bar, there should be smaller mya bambinos available to rent.

The General room should just have really comfortable seating and easy music, dim lights, idk modern or whatever, but the general rooms theme should try to go along with the name of the lounge.

just a few ideas...
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Oh yh i was at this resturant once and they had enclosed rooms for groups and what they did, was a bose ipod conneting speaker, so if youy have your own room you can listen to wotever you like, as most people have ipods now

I think little bose speakers or other good quality ipod speakers would be a good idea
ya that sounds like another good idea, I dont know how many hookah smokers enjoy sports or any of that stuff.. but like mentioned above, having TV's and stuff would be really cool. another good idea could be something like a buffet , where you can grab food that you like .. assuming you have paid for that buffet of course.. ALSO, a shisha buffet might be pretty cool. limited to maybe one or two entrys and a set amount of prepackaged shisa you can get (all of this would depend on the cost of the product of course... but you would figure it out before hand.), it may cut the costs of a few people that you have to have working.. servers and stuff.

I also have never been to a hookah bar, so i am not 100% sure on how it works.
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i have a jukebox with all kinds of music... it works well... and I dont pay a thing for my jukebox... its a 50/50 split with the vendor.
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I reworked the design today, I added 4 "VIP" areas, they are 11x11 rooms, will have heavy curtains separating each room, possibly real walls, it all depends on construction costs. I plan to have pricey hookahs in the vip areas, have a deal like $25 includes the hookah, shisha, drinks, etc and rent it out per hour or something? I also added two bathrooms, separated off from the general area.

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Prices seem cheap to me in the UK as for a normal shisha in a shitty lounge i pay 15.00, no drinks no private room etc
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Around here its usually around $10 per hookah, up to 4 people or so.
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u lot r so lucky, then 25 seems reasonable
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I am not 100% sure on prices and such yet, I need to work the numbers to make sure I am not loosing money.

I think for $25 I might include the hookah, one refill on shisha, unlimited coals, 1 drink per person, and allow up to 6 people per room.
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When i go to a hookah bar, i'd like to see a number of choices as to which sort of atmosphere i'd be smoking in. What i mean is sometimes i'd like to be in a more social environment where i can bs with other people smoking and be social, sort of like a big open room. Other times, say if i'm with friends or something, maybe a little more private area where we all could talk amongst ourselves. So far, it looks like the layout you've posted has just that!

Also for the environment of the whole establishment, for sure a middle-eastern type environment, with some relaxing tunes and a nice place with dim, relaxing lighting. That'd be nice (:

But anyways, best of wishes regarding your hookah-bar-entrepreneuring aspirations! I think it's great you're taking input from the community to take into consideration.
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I like this layout better, I was able to add more seating.

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when u make this hookah bar/lounge u should make it closer to me so i can come work for u and set up awsome hookahs for u and customers lol. plus i know lots of ppl here in east mesa that smoke hookah
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