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Old February 2nd, 2009, 12:24 PM
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Question Why no stems?

It seems like evey video I watch refering to shisha I hear "it's prety stemy" or "it had a coupple of stems but I took them out" something along those lines... Then I saw a video form the beloved DMC "In my house" and he did a bowl of straight stems and loved it...What's the big deal ? Are they even worse for than just straight tobaco or do they ruin flavor, what's the story?

I've always taken mine out but never realy with any reason other than that's the way I learned to pack a bowl, always take the stems out and sprinkle make sure it's never to high and make room for the air holes.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 12:29 PM
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some people think they burn more easily and keep the bowl from smoking well.
DMC packed a bowl of pure stems and said it smoked fine. i never pull them out and my smokes are fine.

pack a bowl with stems in and another with out, i would be willing to bet you wouldn't know if it had them or not

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Old February 2nd, 2009, 01:00 PM
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stems = acrid taste.
plus i cant fit stems as big as 4 toothpicks stuck together in a bowl.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:03 PM
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Nakla stems are the worst, they are dark black and really hard, i always pull them out just for my own sanity.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: Why no stems?

in my experience it doesnt really matter....i just pick out big ones as they are a pain to pack..little minced ones i dont care about, for reviews, people generally mention them so people are aware in case they do have a problem with it.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:11 PM
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Ya know, I meant to post something about this .. I just take my stems that I find and put them in the bottom of the bowl, to help keep the tobacco from clogging up the holes .. work great for that!
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Default Re: Why no stems?

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Ya know, I meant to post something about this .. I just take my stems that I find and put them in the bottom of the bowl, to help keep the tobacco from clogging up the holes .. work great for that!
I do the same to save tobacco in my phunnel, i get the stems in the bottom and tobaco on top
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:47 PM
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I hate stems in part because they have far more nicotine then leaves and I always have found that they taste harsh. DMC disagrees which is cool since he is one of my favorite posters and a damn funny guy to boot so it's cool. Anyway, When I get lots of stems the thing it shows more then anything is that the manufacturer hasn't spent enough effort in processing is product. To me lots of stems show a poor sense of quality control since it's obviously cheaper to not remove them and see that you get an all leaf product that costs them more to make.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:51 PM
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stems only bother me if they are too big to pack. my roommate is saving them when he packs bowls to eventually load a bowl full of stems. personally it has never bother my smoke.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:53 PM
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i never do anything with stems. pack them along with the rest of the stuff. never noticed any different what so ever.

everyone says stems have more nicotine than the leaves, but ive yet to ever seen this proven. the nicotine is stored in the leaves of the plant, with creation of the nicotine done in the roots.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 03:55 PM
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i never do anything with stems. pack them along with the rest of the stuff. never noticed any different what so ever.

everyone says stems have more nicotine than the leaves, but ive yet to ever seen this proven. the nicotine is stored in the leaves of the plant, with creation of the nicotine done in the roots.
You are a Tangiers smoker so you don't need to worry about stems.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 04:00 PM
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ya i have to agree that this comes from something not allowed to be mentioned... id assume the leaf would be better anyway.. but it is probably just good practice to look for stems so you are not surprised by huge sticks in your shisha when you pull it out.
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more nicotine in the stems? then damn send me your stems, i never get a buzz any more
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 03:23 AM
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I really haven't noticed, even if a stem is to large, I just rip it apart so it'll fit.
But like Hajo said, it just shows a poorer manufacturing process, It's like buying KM and finding welding marks and tarnish on it, for something you pay good money for, you want it to be good quality.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 04:30 AM
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Default Re: Why no stems?

I havent found any problem with stems... if i find one that is too big i just pitch it... but most small ones i just smoke... thats when i smoke alone... now in my lounge, no customers get stems at all ever. its all leaf... im real picky about that lol
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 08:50 AM
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I believe that stems absorb more juices than leaves so they keep the bowl burning longer. Its like a thin spounge vs a thick one
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 03:06 PM
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Ya know, I meant to post something about this .. I just take my stems that I find and put them in the bottom of the bowl, to help keep the tobacco from clogging up the holes .. work great for that!

koool I think I may try that, and thanks to everyone else for the input ^_^
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: Why no stems?

i never pick them out unless the the size of a tree trunk and dont fit in the bowl have no complants here. i feel no more nic than usual and the flavor dosnt change for me. but i guess to each there own.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 03:55 PM
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i dont see how people pic out the stems from nakhla a lot of them are shopped up pretty well and i just think trying to pick them out you end up taking out a lot of juice probably which leads to flavor change

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i pick out the monster stems but the rest is no biggie, to me
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 05:37 PM
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I never pick them out, like a lot of people. I've always figured that as long as the leaves and juiced get mixed around really well, there shouldn't be an issue.
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Default Re: Why no stems?

I normally pick the obvious ones out of my AF, just because they tend to cause gaps in the shisha which makes this really weird sucking noise when I puff, and it feels like I get less smoke when that happens.
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Default Re: Why no stems?

Its not that I need to pick them out to live, its because I'm used to smoking just the leaves. I want to smoke the leaves. They bake differently and for that matter, burn differently. I feel a higher quality producer should spend more time picking them out.

Yeah, I'm one of those guys when reviewing shisha comments on the stem content. The reason being is that some producers give you a whole lot of stem, you guys who havn't experienced it, are lucky.

I don't use the stems to use less tobacco, because if i wanted to do that, I'd use a smaller bowl. Use a genie bowl, its perfect for small usage.
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Nakla stems are the worst, they are dark black and really hard, i always pull them out just for my own sanity.
haha yeah they are like freakin tree trunks!
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They burn like wood and it's nasty.
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