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Old February 9th, 2009, 09:37 PM
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last 2 days ive noticed when i take pulls the smoke is really warm and tasteless..im using starbuzz..and usually the flavor is good..but i cant taste anything anymore..the first time this happened was yesterday with banana..and today with watermelon..so i thought maybe it was dirty so i cleaned the stem really good and tryed it again..and again the smoke was warm and tasteless...any opinions why this is happening? by the way its a 32'' km precision..
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Old February 9th, 2009, 09:40 PM
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The warmth is always cause of too much heat. If it is noticeably warm, there is too much heat, or you have too big of hole sin the foil. The Hose could also be gros and dirty, resulting in a weak smoke flavor.

I think that your rig may also not be completely airtight.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 09:42 PM
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The warmth is always cause of too much heat. If it is noticeably warm, there is too much heat, or you have too big of hole sin the foil. The Hose could also be gros and dirty, resulting in a weak smoke flavor.

I think that your rig may also not be completely airtight.
i thought it may have been the hose so i used another one that i rarely use and still had the same result..i also had the experience when i used 1 charcoal or 2..so i dont think its the heat..
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Old February 9th, 2009, 09:53 PM
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Then the only things left to blame are water level, quality of the bowl, foil hole placement, or air leaks.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 10:01 PM
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The shisha gods deny you of flavor! Repent with a bowl of Nakhla!!!!
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Old February 9th, 2009, 10:04 PM
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if your using ice in the water, try taking it out

for some reason ice always makes my smoke warmer and tasteless.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 10:14 PM
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The shisha gods deny you of flavor! Repent with a bowl of Nakhla!!!!
NOW PRAY!
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Old February 9th, 2009, 10:18 PM
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ok i think i found the problem, the part where the stem connects to the vase..there is a big black rubber pieace..and what i have been doing is i couldnt get the hookah in before because it was so tight, so i would use a little big of moisturizer and it would slide in easy..but now the black gromet doesnt seem to be sealing all the way..i can grab the stem in the middle and bend it gentle to the left and right and i can see the black gromet move from the vase opening..any fixes for this?
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Old February 9th, 2009, 10:56 PM
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ok i think i found the problem, the part where the stem connects to the vase..there is a big black rubber pieace..and what i have been doing is i couldnt get the hookah in before because it was so tight, so i would use a little big of moisturizer and it would slide in easy..but now the black gromet doesnt seem to be sealing all the way..i can grab the stem in the middle and bend it gentle to the left and right and i can see the black gromet move from the vase opening..any fixes for this?
you might have killed the grommet, depending what material the grommet is and what moisturizers you used it could have started to break it down, and may need to be replaced. what is usually suggested (in writing on the myas at least) is to just use water to let it seat in, and from my experience it seems to work well.

i would pull the grommet out, wipe it as dry as you could and let it chill for a couple of days and see if it broke down much. if it did you could try to put some tape on the stem under where the grommet sits to tighten it back up, if the grommet is screwed you could try to just use some tape to fully seal it up until you get a new grommet.

also make sure that you are mixing the tobacco up well before packing it.

lately i have not been having good luck with starbuzz for some reason, not sure if its that the tub i have has been open for a while and was losing some moisture ( the flavor was slightly changing, blue mist) and i just have not been getting great smoke out of it and having some what similar things as you mention but not as bad (but everything else smokes fine so ive tracked part of the issue to the tobacco)

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Old February 9th, 2009, 11:59 PM
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Default Re: the smoke is warm and tasteless?

i ordered a few stem gromets...how can i prevent this from happening again because the hookah is only been used for 3 weeks?
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Old February 10th, 2009, 12:05 AM
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I use a bit of olive oil on my KM grommets. Easy to use and non reactive on the grommet.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 01:01 AM
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i hope im not going to have to replace this every 3 weeks to a month...seems like everytime im done spending on this thing i find new expenses...i feel like a defeated man tonite..very discouraged..i mean just 3 weeks old..crap..
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Old February 10th, 2009, 01:41 AM
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mineral oil probably, I would be careful using any kind of vegetable oils they may go rancid
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The shisha gods deny you of flavor! Repent with a bowl of Nakhla!!!!
LMFAO

Clean your hookah... top to bottom... use a diff hose.
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You can use teflon tape as a grommet... although I havent had to replace any grommets... i wash them everytime.
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i hope im not going to have to replace this every 3 weeks to a month...seems like everytime im done spending on this thing i find new expenses...i feel like a defeated man tonite..very discouraged..i mean just 3 weeks old..crap..
To stop it happen stop using moisturiser and use normal water and give it a bit of a push in.

And what you could do is get some electrical tape and where the grommet goes, underneath it tape around a bit and put ur grommet on, if this aint air tight enoguh keep doing it until it is
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Old February 10th, 2009, 08:24 AM
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i hope im not going to have to replace this every 3 weeks to a month...seems like everytime im done spending on this thing i find new expenses...i feel like a defeated man tonite..very discouraged..i mean just 3 weeks old..crap..
ya like was said dont use anything like moisturizer, it has petroleum based stuff in it probably and since it is rubber (made from petroleum base) it breaks it down. just use water to slide it in and if that is still way to hard a touch of a very light vegi oil should work

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Old February 10th, 2009, 12:45 PM
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Try putting the grommet on the vase when you put the pieces together using water as a lubricant. I have a feeling you are doing it backwards, by putting the grommet on the stem first then sliding the hookah stem into the vase, that is why its soo hard to put together. If you are still having problems with it fitting correctly then you may need to use a bit of household cooking oil (any kind) the oil will NOT spoil I can assure you on that do not use any kind of lotion as it can contain chemicals that react in a bad way as you already know.

If you are still having problems with it fitting correctly then you need to contact the supplier you purchased your KM from and fill them in on your situation about it not fitting right and see if they will replace your vase with a proper fitting one.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 01:12 PM
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Try putting the grommet on the vase when you put the pieces together using water as a lubricant. I have a feeling you are doing it backwards, by putting the grommet on the stem first then sliding the hookah stem into the vase, that is why its soo hard to put together. If you are still having problems with it fitting correctly then you may need to use a bit of household cooking oil (any kind) the oil will NOT spoil I can assure you on that do not use any kind of lotion as it can contain chemicals that react in a bad way as you already know.

If you are still having problems with it fitting correctly then you need to contact the supplier you purchased your KM from and fill them in on your situation about it not fitting right and see if they will replace your vase with a proper fitting one.
i have never seen any one put the grommet inside the base then put the stem in there, i have always seen the grommet on the stem dry then wet to get into the base

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How did I call that! I'm Good.
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i have never seen any one put the grommet inside the base then put the stem in there, i have always seen the grommet on the stem dry then wet to get into the base

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LOL me neither i do it by putting the grommet on the stem and then sliding it in
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