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Old June 24th, 2009, 04:16 PM
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Default Talk facts about the illegalization of Fruit Tobacco & Chat

That link contains pretty much all the facts you will need & hundreds of opinions from anywhere involving flavored tobacco, pipe tobacco, fruit tobacco & clove cigarette smokers. May contain a couple bad words too. So be careful

from: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...gns_tou_1.html
"The law, which Congress passed overwhelmingly, also restricts makers of tobacco products from using candy or fruit flavorings in their products and bans them from advertising at sporting or entertainment events."
According to the new bill signed into law by President Obama, the tobacco industry is now banned from using fruit or candy flavorings in their products.



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"(1) RESTRICTIONS ON DESCRIPTORS USED IN MARKETING OF CIGARETTES-


(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), no person shall use, with respect to any cigarette brand style commercially distributed domestically, on the portion of the package of such cigarette brand style that customarily is visible to consumers before purchase, or in advertising of such cigarette brand style any of the following as a descriptor of any cigarette brand style--
(i) the name of any candy or fruit;
(ii) the word ‘candy,’ ‘citrus,’ ‘cream,’ ‘fruit,’ ‘sugar,’ ‘sweet,’ ‘tangy,’ or ‘tart,’; or
(iii) any extension or variation of any of the words ‘candy,’ ‘citrus,’ ‘cream,’ ‘fruit,’ ‘sugar,’ ‘sweet,’ ‘tangy,’ or ‘tart,’ including but not limited to ‘creamy,’ or ‘fruity.’
(B) LIMITATION- Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to the use of the following words or to any extension or variation of any of them: ‘coffee,’ ‘mint,’ and ‘menthol’.
(C) SCENTED MATERIALS- No person shall use, in the advertising or labeling of any cigarette commercially distributed domestically, any scented materials, except in an adult-only facility.
(D) DEFINITIONS- In this section:
(i) The term ‘candy’ means a confection made from sugar or sugar substitute, including any confection identified generically or by brand, and shall include the words ‘cacao,’ ‘chocolate,’ ‘cinnamon,’ ‘cocoa,’ ‘honey,’ ‘licorice,’ ‘maple,’ ‘mocha,’ and ‘vanilla.’
(ii) The term ‘fruit’ means any fruit identified by generic name, type, or variety, including but not limited to ‘apple,’ ‘banana,’ ‘cherry,’ and ‘orange.’ The term ‘fruit’ does not include words that identify seeds, nuts or peppers, or types or varieties thereof or words that are extensions or variations of such words."










Talk about what YOU know regarding the illegalization of 'fruit tobacco' & any other details which would be useful to know!
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Old June 24th, 2009, 05:21 PM
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I have been told be a few people in the tobacco business that this won't apply to moassel, only cigarettes and most likely cigars.

But it is the government....
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If they take my Black and Mild Wine off the market, I'm gonna be annoyed... Those are absolutely wonderful for the first few puffs. Good to have every now and then.
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I don't see why my post got deleted haha.

But if you read that link it says ANYTHING with fruit / candy additives will become illegal.
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Cigars are going to be left alone actually.
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so if cigars and shisha tobacco aren't being touched....what is?
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If they take my Black and Mild Wine off the market, I'm gonna be annoyed... Those are absolutely wonderful for the first few puffs. Good to have every now and then.
i love those! the apple ones are also pretty good
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Old June 24th, 2009, 08:36 PM
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are there really flavored cigarettes?
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Clove cigarettes and other flavored brands like Cigarellos that are "targeted" at children(which is true). I guess if I want a clove now I just buy some cigs and dip them in clove oil. As long as shisha tobacco isn't touched I wont loose my mind.
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are there really flavored cigarettes?
Camel made several as did Salem. I'm not sure if they still make them or not as I haven't bothered to look.
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Camel made several as did Salem. I'm not sure if they still make them or not as I haven't bothered to look.
I remeber the camels, and no they arent made anymore for this reason.
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Old June 25th, 2009, 08:08 AM
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i dont doubt the wold try and say that shisha was a child targetted tabbaco, but we have the fack you need a hookah to use it which isnt a child friendly device and the fact hookahs are older then america on our side, i dont think they will go as fas as ban it all together.
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Camel made several as did Salem. I'm not sure if they still make them or not as I haven't bothered to look.
The Camel "Twisted"s went off the market three years ago. They were a limited time only sort of deal. (Which on a side note makes me mad I didn't stock up on the citrus ones. They were freaking good!)

Now, Camel has the "Signiture" series with four different "flavors". Robust, Frost, Infused, and another I can't rememebr. Robust is like a more full flavored tobacco, Frost is a mentholated, and Infused is with a hint of fruit.
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From the research I have done, ALL tobacco with fruit additives / flavoring will be banned.

Can anyone find some information that states otherwise?
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The bill is just as confusing as any law and will probably require a Lawyer to explain it. But here is a copy of the entire bill.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...t0%3Apcs%3A347

There are sections that say only cigarettes and RYO will be affected but there are loopholes that say "may control as deemed necessary" (something to that effect). This could pose a problem.

Example from bill

6 ‘‘SEC. 901. FDA AUTHORITY OVER TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

7 ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—Tobacco products, including
8 modified risk tobacco products for which an order has
9 been issued in accordance with section 911, shall be regu10
lated by the Secretary under this chapter and shall not
11 be subject to the provisions of chapter V.
12 ‘‘(b) APPLICABILITY.—This chapter shall apply to all
13 cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and
14 smokeless tobacco and to any other tobacco products that
15 the Secretary by regulation deems to be subject to this
16 chapter.
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http://www.msbands.com - A few mp3s / hookah talk on the front page.

I don't like that 'and to any other tobacco products that the SECRETARY by REGULATION deemds to be..."
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From the research I have done, ALL tobacco with fruit additives / flavoring will be banned.

Can anyone find some information that states otherwise?

The bill states otherwise. It states that there are exemptions to the restrictions including cigars, "little cigars" and cigarettes flavored with mint or menthol.

That last part was put in because of some ridiculous BS. I would prefer to see menthol banned right along with cloves.

There are also parts of it that rule out the control of pipe tobacco which in many laws hookah tobacco falls under. They are targeting cigarettes.
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Basically the bill grants the FDA power to regulate any tobacco product they deem flavoured in any fashion they want short of outright banning. Although it was written with cigarettes in mind the vague language combined with the nature of governmental regulation means that all forms of tobacco will be regulated.

What regulation means in practical terms for us is higher costs for moassel as marketing, labeling and inspection protocols kick in. It also means higher costs since compliance with Byzantine regulations requires lots of office labour and paper work as well as ever higher insurance costs. Plenty of products far less controversial then tobacco have been driven from the American market as a result of regulation then most of us (me inclueded) will ever know. My experience with the FDA makes me think that the priamry goal of that organization is to put food and drug producers out of business that are smaller then a typical forture 50 copmany. I could tell you horror stories that you wouldn't believe.

Bottom line this bill will prove to be a diaster.
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Do they have scientific proof that children prefer the flavor of fruit over tobacco?

I WANT PROOF

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Do they have scientific proof that children prefer the flavor of fruit over tobacco?

I WANT PROOF

lol

Now that was funny!
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I don't see why my post got deleted haha.

But if you read that link it says ANYTHING with fruit / candy additives will become illegal.
the way it looked when i read it was towards cigs, i think the letter of it and spirit of it goes to cigs, which for the most part are already gone from people complaining. if they take other flavored tobacco off the market you are going to have a lot of pissed rednecks that want their dip, and you dont want to piss off the people that have a higher rate of owning firearms

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i remeber about reading the prohabition, i remember thats when our crime rates went insane, and i think if that try to control something of equal spread like tabacco, they will see something just the same.
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the way it looked when i read it was towards cigs, i think the letter of it and spirit of it goes to cigs, which for the most part are already gone from people complaining. if they take other flavored tobacco off the market you are going to have a lot of pissed rednecks that want their dip, and you dont want to piss off the people that have a higher rate of owning firearms

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i remeber about reading the prohabition, i remember thats when our crime rates went insane, and i think if that try to control something of equal spread like tabacco, they will see something just the same.
case in point look at the "war on drugs" the same % of the population is "addicted to illegal substances" as when we started all of it, just tax revenue the govt is losing out on when it comes down to it

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if this is gonna shape up like prohibition, who is gonna be Capone? Sambooka, can you lead us in the hookah revolution?

and can we call underground cafes smoke-easys?
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