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Old October 6th, 2009, 07:09 AM
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i know this is probably a really stupid question but im having a hard time figuring out what a moassel is.
in some contexts it sounds just like normal shisha to me.
in others it sounds like something completely different.
i can't find anything in the forum describing what it is.
anyone care to shed some light?
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Old October 6th, 2009, 08:13 AM
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Shisha is not the correct word for hookah tobacco. A shisha is a hookah. Moassel is one of the actual names for tobacco designed for the hookah that uses molasses as an emulsifier.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:20 AM
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^Right. Shisha refers to a hookah pretty much everywhere but the English language.

One of the local shops (run by a Persian man I believe) sells MZs and he thought I was referring to those when I said the word "shisha" instead of the tobacco.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 12:28 PM
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moassel is the sweet tobacco for hookah becoming from the word "Asal" in arabic which means "honey" i hope you got the point man and its not stupid but you have to know a bit of arabic for that
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Old October 6th, 2009, 01:13 PM
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Even this site incorrectly uses shisha to refer to tobacco.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 01:55 PM
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Even this site incorrectly uses shisha to refer to tobacco.

pretty much everyone does.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 01:56 PM
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Here is my quick guide to the terms used to describe the sorts of tobacco that people smoke in narghiles -

Moassel: A treacled, unwashed tobacco product that strictly speaking uses only molasses as an agglutinant bond. Flavourings traditionally came in two varieties "black" and "spiced" with the former having the flavour provided by solely the tobacco and molasses while the later used a variety of essences made from naturally occurring herbs and spices. These days moassel is a term that refers to any generic mix of tobacco and some sort of sweet agglutinant like honey or inverted sugar with the flavourings are provided by any additive one can imagine. Anything being made now that would have been recognized as a moassel over 30 years are pretty rare and generally restricted to small, local brands that are hard to find with the exception being some products made by Desi Merli and the Societe Chark du Tabac.

Tobamel: A treacled, unwashed tobacco product that uses strictly speaking uses only honey as an agglutinant bond. Like a moassel it can be either "black" or "spiced". These days tobamels are rare although the Societe Chark du Tabac makes a few on a large scale. The spiced flavours made by other large firms like Hookah-Hookah, Al Waha, Al Fakher etc can't really be deemed a tobamel since they they are heavily washed and processed to the point that no tobacco flavours are left.

Jurak: A fine or very finely ground/cut unwashed tobacco paste that uses molasses as an agglutinant bond whose flavours are provided by the tobacco, molasses and a blend of herbs. Basically juraks are only made by small local brands with the exception of a few firms in India like the Oriental tobacco company and Ahmad Jurak.

Tombac: Whole leaf cured and dried that need to be re-hydrated prior to use.

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Here is my quick guide to the terms used to describe the sorts of tobacco that people smoke in narghiles -

Moassel: A treacled, unwashed tobacco product that strictly speaking uses only molasses as an agglutinant bond. Flavourings traditionally came in two varieties "black" and "spiced" with the former having the flavour provided by solely the tobacco and molasses while the later used a variety of essences made from naturally occurring herbs and spices. These days moassel is a term that refers to any generic mix of tobacco and some sort of sweet agglutinant like honey or inverted sugar with the flavourings are provided by any additive one can imagine. Anything being made now that would have been recognized as a moassel over 30 years are pretty rare and generally restricted to small, local brands that are hard to find with the exception being some products made by Desi Merli and the Societe Chark du Tabac.

Tobamel: A treacled, unwashed tobacco product that uses strictly speaking uses only honey as an agglutinant bond. Like a moassel it can be either "black" or "spiced". These days tobamels are rare although the Societe Chark du Tabac makes a few on a large scale. The spiced flavours made by other large firms like Hookah-Hookah, Al Waha, Al Fakher etc can't really be deemed a tobamel since they they are heavily washed and processed to the point that no tobacco flavours are left.

Jurak: A fine or very finely ground/cut unwashed tobacco paste that uses molasses as an agglutinant bond whose flavours are provided by the tobacco, molasses and a blend of herbs. Basically juraks are only made by small local brands with the exception of a few firms in India like the Oriental tobacco company and Ahmad Jurak.

Tombac: Whole leaf cured and dried that need to be re-hydrated prior to use.
Why don't we sticky everything Hajo says?
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lol hajo is the human dictionary.

But yeh. shisha = moassel imo...
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Old October 6th, 2009, 06:11 PM
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I say shisha when i mean tobacco
moassel is not my thing
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Old October 6th, 2009, 09:05 PM
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yeah, i always thought shisha is tobacco.
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I say shisha tobacco. That kinda covers all the bases there.
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yeah, i always thought shisha is tobacco.
In the West you can get away with this most of the time, and for communication's sake you're almost better off saying this because its such a common association. The word "shisha" is Arabic for the pipe, as is Nargile(and variations of it are also correct) and to my knowledge hookah is as well.
Shops in the West(unless they are run by particularly savvy staff) would be more likely to respond to shisha rather than moassel.
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Default Re: moassel

alright well thanks for the info guys.
so alright then shisha tobacco=moassel.
that's what i got from it.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 09:55 PM
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Moassel=molasesised is that a word? well thats it
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Default Re: moassel

which is any hookah tobacco pretty much.
or most of the stuff.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 11:32 PM
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I suppose I am just up tight but to me you only smoke a hookah if you're India, shisha is what Egyptians call the sort of pipe we all smoke and what goes in our pipes is more often then not a moassel. When I talk to anyone that isn't a Westerner about the sort of tobacco I smoke no one would know what I was talking about if I said shisha. I never even heard the term hookah until i'd been smoking a narghile for about 5 years.
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alright i see.
well thanks for all the help i really appreciate it.
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you should just call it shisha tobacco. it kinda bugs me when i smoke with friends that say "dude lets smoke some sheesh". it might be because i'm an asshole when it comes to english, i correct everyone's spelling, grammar, and word types.

from my view, moassel is a darker form of tobacco used by seasoned shisha smokers. i think of desi murli and salloum when someone says this word.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 05:58 AM
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you should just call it shisha tobacco. it kinda bugs me when i smoke with friends that say "dude lets smoke some sheesh". it might be because i'm an asshole when it comes to english, i correct everyone's spelling, grammar, and word types.

from my view, moassel is a darker form of tobacco used by seasoned shisha smokers. i think of desi murli and salloum when someone says this word.

hmmm you sound a lot like me.
i have to correct everyone's grammar and it always pisses them off haha.
marry me?

kidding...
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