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Old April 5th, 2010, 05:37 PM
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Default How will we cope with the future tobacco tax?

I've heard there's going to be a 775% tax increase. Is this for real? Does this that shisha tobacco will no longer be available because I doubt anyone will be able to afford it?
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Old April 5th, 2010, 07:16 PM
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Were not out of the woods yet
Hasnt been dismissed or declared dead yet
Both of my Senators are voting for it to pass
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Old April 5th, 2010, 08:13 PM
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I'll probably just quit hookah, plenty of other ways to fuck up my lungs
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Were not out of the woods yet
Hasnt been dismissed or declared dead yet
Both of my Senators are voting for it to pass
Damn your Senators! In all seriousness, i read through the old post, and signed the petition, and i checked the new link on this post. I am so glad that it did not pass, but i think it just means we have to be a little more diligent when it comes to news in our hobby.
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Old April 5th, 2010, 08:25 PM
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ill be going herbal when i run out lol
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I've heard there's going to be a 775% tax increase. Is this for real? Does this that shisha tobacco will no longer be available because I doubt anyone will be able to afford it?
Maybe you will have to buy soex, like i have to because of the ridiculous tax in australia.

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Soex is not an option just like o'douls is not an option
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Maybe you will have to buy soex, like i have to because of the ridiculous tax in australia.
I think I'd rather cough up the money than smoke herbal. Smoking is a luxury and I would rather spend the money to have something I enjoy than buy herbal because it skirts around the taxes. Even the best herbals can't compare to tobacco in my eyes.
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I will still continue to smoke shisha and remember its a 775% TAX increase so if the tax was at 5% it would then be at 38.75% sales tax. This does not mean that the shisha price will increase 775%.
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Old April 5th, 2010, 08:49 PM
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i know the month before (if it does) i will stalk up on kilos of shisha and cartons of cigs when i run out i run out and smoke less often, plus shisha has a shelf life of like three years
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I will still continue to smoke shisha and remember its a 775% TAX increase so if the tax was at 5% it would then be at 38.75% sales tax. This does not mean that the shisha price will increase 775%.
Yeah, it won't be THAT much more expensive. If sales really go down, premium tobaccos like SB would just have to go down with their prices which they definitely could afford.

If any tobacco company wants to make a killing, keep the prices where they are right now, even including the tax increase. Imagine if Social Smoke stayed at $20 a tin whereas SB would go up to let's say $30 a tin, that would be a HUGE boost in sales for them. HUGE! Not only would that show the consumer that the manufacturer cares about his customers, it would also send a direct message to the competition, saying that the gameface has just come on!
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Old April 5th, 2010, 10:11 PM
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Yeah, it won't be THAT much more expensive. If sales really go down, premium tobaccos like SB would just have to go down with their prices which they definitely could afford.

If any tobacco company wants to make a killing, keep the prices where they are right now, even including the tax increase. Imagine if Social Smoke stayed at $20 a tin whereas SB would go up to let's say $30 a tin, that would be a HUGE boost in sales for them. HUGE! Not only would that show the consumer that the manufacturer cares about his customers, it would also send a direct message to the competition, saying that the gameface has just come on!
Agreed, it will be up to the manufacturers to keep the price down and i can't see it skyrocketing because all of the different brands still have to compete with one another.
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Haha, soex is NOT an option, however, Hydro is pretty great!
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Old April 6th, 2010, 01:45 AM
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This latest tax increase will effortlessly pass as have every other ban/restriction/tax increase directed at tobacco in recent times. One thing to keep in mind is that these sorts increases aren't meant to raise revenue although that is often given as an excuse. Rather, these increases are so called "sin taxes" which are intended to make you stop consuming a product. It's all about social control and now that the federal government has for all practical purposes committed to nationalizing the health care industry the desire to reduce smoking and regulate what legal substances we put in our bodies will doubtlessly increase. A second point is that the tobacco companies can't hold the prices steady when the taxes increase so dramatically and will happen instead is that consumption will plummet and the industry will shrink to a tiny fraction of what it currently is. That's what happened with RYO increase that went through recently and that market is basically dead. The little trick to market RYO as pipe tobacco is what brought this on and once that loophole is closed i'll be amazed if the moassel market is 5% of it's current size.

As to "herbal" i'll point out that it's in no way herbal and we should stop using silly marketing terms to make us think that a product is something other then what it is. I should also point out that absolutely no evidence exists that indicates that vaporizing a mixture of sugar cane, glycerin and artificial flavourings/preservatives is any safer then vaporizing a mixture of tobacco, glycerin and artificial flavourings/preservatives. In any case, every "herbal" i've tried is mediocre at best and far more likely to be hideous. If I ever have to make a choice between "herbal" and tobacco i'll give up smoking. Thankfully that isn't likely since I don't spend much time in the ultra PC countries that formerly were Western.

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