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Old June 10th, 2008, 05:13 PM
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Hello all,

There isn't a Hookah Lounge near me and I have an associate that has serious money to do this.
I found a spot near the local university for a Hookah Lounge in NorCal. I have been to about 3 lounges that are about an hour away in each direction and they all seen to be busy. Their style are pretty much the same though and I really didn't find them very kool to hang at.

I was hoping you guys and gals on here could help me out with your opinions or preferences.

I want to go to Cloud 9, but they are like 2-3 hours from me. Their place looks pretty cool though and I like the art stuff they are doing.

What do you look for in a Hookha Lounge?....Do you look for authentic athmospher or more modern? Floor seatings, booths, or table/chair?
What kind of music? TV's?
Food/Food or Snack Food? Appetizers?
Tea/Coffee/Energy Drinks/Sodas/Smoothes.....is that enough? or too much?
Surroundings......Light and airy or Dark and cozy?

I just want a GREAT place, so I can be successful.

What works or don't if you are a lounge owner.

Please be serious!!

Thanks!
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Old June 10th, 2008, 05:25 PM
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I like the whole "lounge" idea.

a place where i can relax, not have blairring middle eastern music destroying my brain.
low ambient music, mad comfortable with nice couches and pillows.

good hookahs, good tobacco, good service.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 05:35 PM
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There have been many threads about the specific matter and all end up in the same way. 1st of all you are going to hear one hundred different opinions about what to server, food drinks, authentic or modern, and what brands to carry.

People on the forums own and run their lounges and all tell you the same things. [LIST][*]It aint as profitable as it sounds[*]You need to have more than $50k to start off[*] Enough money to keep it running at loss for (at least one year.)[*]Enough time, as you need to be constantly there for atleast the first year.[/LIST]Thats what i've heard here on the forums and people who hade their go at this buissiness will tell you they are true.

As for what people looks for in such place wont help much as it depends on what people are in the area and what people do you want your buissiness to attract.

Personally (am one of the youngest members here) but i'd still hate the place if it had RAP/ HARD ROCK music playing. I smoke their (middle easterns) devices, I respect their culture. I'd love to go to a place with low middle eastern music or something along the lines of "Buddha Bar" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3qo1...eature=related ) which is more hindu.
As for alcohol, am not a big fan of smoking while drinking and vice versa. Plus, the last think you'd want to deal with in your lounge is drunk people.

Cheers. I hope i've been helpful
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Old June 10th, 2008, 05:53 PM
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They're called lounges for a reason.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 05:55 PM
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Yeah, the last thing I'd do is serve booze, drunks are lousy usually aggressive customers.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 06:01 PM
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love sac's are awesome, just do the small or medium sized ones with small tables to hold the drinks by them.
as far as decoration make it more modern, but still relaxed.
find some local artist and but there art for sale there while hanging it on your walls.
as far as food drink, I would just do coffee's and tea's. some iced coffee's, and iced tea's, and try to keep the tea's traditional and authentic.
maybe while your setting the people up with their hookah flavors you can give them choices on drinks that compliment that flavor.
but still remember the most important part of a hookah lounge is the relaxed atmosphere.
also I would say no alchohol.
thats like an accident waiting to happen lol.
also if you want it to be more profitable have a store where you can buy hookah's, shisha, coals and all that stuff, along with a website.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 07:20 PM
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yeahh there is a place by me.. that has a lounge in it, but also is a store has everything from buying hookahs tobaccos to ***** bowls from sextoys and porn and piercings and tattoos.. its a chill store.. i buy some cheap tobaccos there when i run out..
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Thank you guys sooo much, but keep it coming!!!

I was not planning for alcohol, like you said " an accident waiting to happen". I don't want to burn the place down.

Do you think energy drinks would be good to have? I was planning on Coffee (Kona, Regular, expresso, latte , Turkish), Stash Teas, smoothies.

I am doing the smoke shop too. The website is in the making!
I was thinking modern, but very comfy. Like a sofa lounge type thing.

I want to offer the fresh fruit bowls, and Iced vases.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 08:07 PM
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I really like the idea of the fresh fruit bowls, great thinking.

I defiantly think that keeping it between too dark, and too light is where you should aim. One wouldn't want to go in, and start to feel claustrophobic with all the smoke and everything.. although some avid smokers like that, you have to market to everyone. On the flip side, I think that cushions and couches would be vital to a good lounge. As far as lovesacks go, i dont know how well that would work.. its a bit awkward reaching for things from them, and i can see many people pulling a hookah over by the hose..

Just create a place where people can come and chill, and smoke, or buy paraphernalia.. a place that isnt too exclusive either, first-time customers dont like walking into a place where they feel like they are the outcast

Good for you for setting out to do this though.
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As far as lovesacks go, i dont know how well that would work.. its a bit awkward reaching for things from them, and i can see many people pulling a hookah over by the hose..
thats why I suggested the small and medium size ones. they are easy to sit in, get in and out of, and reach for things in.
also some nice leather chairs and sofa's are great cuz then people have a choice.
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Being from a college town (tallahassee) ive noticed most of the local lounges tend to lean more towards loud music, and unfortunately that seems to be what draws the crowds. People want to go and relax, but around the college they want it to feel more like a chill party. I wouldn't recommend having the music at a volume where communication is hard, but i would have it louder than background music. An average lounge that isnt part restaurant wont be attracting alot of adults, especially near a university, so i would cater to the younger demographic.
Personally i agree with most everyone here, i would prefer a more relaxed, slightly quieter place than where i usually go, but its something i have gotten used to.
I would also serve some snack food, particularly some middle eastern stuff. just the basics: pitas, hummus, maybe stuffed grape leaves. Teas and coffees are good, I would also serve a few cheeper wines, i doubt as many people will come and pay for enough wine to get raging drunk like they do with beer, and it will make the place seem to have a bit more class and perhaps bring some more adult customers. and definitely desserts.
For vibe i strongly prefer the dark/cozy feel. I like dark walls, dim lights, and comfy couches/cushions. I would have an assortment of couches and cushions on the ground, some people like to sit on the floor, some don't. Big cheep rugs also help. If a coal falls on them they wont light on fire and you'll get a little disk shaped burn, and if the rug gets too messed up just get a new one, and they add to the vibe. The modern look could work fine, but i would definitely keep a middle-eastern vibe, including music and decorations. Also it seems popular to keep a bunch of nice hookahs on display that no one ever uses, usually they are for sale, but always on display to get attention.
I would also have free WIFI, people like to do papers with a hookah, and maybe 1 or 2 tvs, though thats not really important. I rarely see anyone watch them at lounges, but it usually has news on just for fun i guess.

Some tips for helping with revenue: have a happy hour for down times, my local bar does 4-9 i believe 5$ off and this brings in a few more people. They also have 2 days a week (T and TH) of 10$ all you can smoke. Also have different price levels for your different shishas. As crazy as this sounds where i usually smoke charges 10 for basic 1 flavor, 15 for mixed, and 25, yeah, 25$ for a "specialty" which is just a mix with something in the base. Several people will actually pay that 25$ for 1 bowl.
1 other thing, i would have a somewhat secluded though not completely separate from the rest of the room "VIP lounge" which can be reserved in advance or something. My local bar is basically if you pay 100$ or more (up to 12 people) then you can have the lounge, which is just a little room separated from the rest of the establishment by a bead curtain and a little heart shaped window cut in the wall. There are lots of decorations in there and 3 big cushions on the floor with a tun of pillows and the people in the room have some privacy, but arent secluded, and can control the lights and feel special because they are "VIPs." This also tends to encourage people to spend a bit more, and is great for partys.
Also good service is really important for the atmosphere. another lounge i went to one time had very uninterested waitresses/waiters and it made the experiance much worse. Talk with your customers, recommend, ask them how they like it...it really helps.
Oh, and belly dancing nights always draw a crowd. If your near a campus there are probably a few student belly dancers, probably in some form of club, i would ask them if they would dance at your lounge.

sorry for the length. I've been waiting for a good lounge to open so i have a few ideas for it, hope this helps some.

p.s. I'm Adam, also new here. Hows it goin guys?

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Being from a college town (tallahassee) ive noticed most of the local lounges tend to lean more towards loud music, and unfortunately that seems to be what draws the crowds. People want to go and relax, but around the college they want it to feel more like a chill party. I wouldn't recommend having the music at a volume where communication is hard, but i would have it louder than background music. An average lounge that isnt part restaurant wont be attracting alot of adults, especially near a university, so i would cater to the younger demographic.
Personally i agree with most everyone here, i would prefer a more relaxed, slightly quieter place than where i usually go, but its something i have gotten used to.
I would also serve some snack food, particularly some middle eastern stuff. just the basics: pitas, hummus, maybe stuffed grape leaves. Teas and coffees are good, I would also serve a few cheeper wines, i doubt as many people will come and pay for enough wine to get raging drunk like they do with beer, and it will make the place seem to have a bit more class and perhaps bring some more adult customers. and definitely desserts.
For vibe i strongly prefer the dark/cozy feel. I like dark walls, dim lights, and comfy couches/cushions. I would have an assortment of couches and cushions on the ground, some people like to sit on the floor, some don't. Big cheep rugs also help. If a coal falls on them they wont light on fire and you'll get a little disk shaped burn, and if the rug gets too messed up just get a new one, and they add to the vibe. The modern look could work fine, but i would definitely keep a middle-eastern vibe, including music and decorations. Also it seems popular to keep a bunch of nice hookahs on display that no one ever uses, usually they are for sale, but always on display to get attention.
I would also have free WIFI, people like to do papers with a hookah, and maybe 1 or 2 tvs, though thats not really important. I rarely see anyone watch them at lounges, but it usually has news on just for fun i guess.

Some tips for helping with revenue: have a happy hour for down times, my local bar does 4-9 i believe 5$ off and this brings in a few more people. They also have 2 days a week (T and TH) of 10$ all you can smoke. Also have different price levels for your different shishas. As crazy as this sounds where i usually smoke charges 10 for basic 1 flavor, 15 for mixed, and 25, yeah, 25$ for a "specialty" which is just a mix with something in the base. Several people will actually pay that 25$ for 1 bowl.
1 other thing, i would have a somewhat secluded though not completely separate from the rest of the room "VIP lounge" which can be reserved in advance or something. My local bar is basically if you pay 100$ or more (up to 12 people) then you can have the lounge, which is just a little room separated from the rest of the establishment by a bead curtain and a little heart shaped window cut in the wall. There are lots of decorations in there and 3 big cushions on the floor with a tun of pillows and the people in the room have some privacy, but arent secluded, and can control the lights and feel special because they are "VIPs." This also tends to encourage people to spend a bit more, and is great for partys.
Also good service is really important for the atmosphere. another lounge i went to one time had very uninterested waitresses/waiters and it made the experiance much worse. Talk with your customers, recommend, ask them how they like it...it really helps.
Oh, and belly dancing nights always draw a crowd. If your near a campus there are probably a few student belly dancers, probably in some form of club, i would ask them if they would dance at your lounge.

sorry for the length. I've been waiting for a good lounge to open so i have a few ideas for it, hope this helps some.

p.s. I'm Adam, also new here. Hows it goin guys?
one of the best contributions yet.
now no one else has to type all that.
welcome adam!
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Old June 10th, 2008, 10:13 PM
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I was just at a Hookah Bar/Lounge by me (right by NYC) and had a really good time. It's run by some Arabic guys that IMHO have captured the true essence of hookah and put it into a very chill place. The lights are low, flat screen tvs all around, comfy sofas and chairs, some low tables with candles on them, and then there is a full service bar towards the front for those that choose to drink. The crowd was very good too, no knuckleheads and coming from N. NJ - that's tough to find. At about 11 a DJ came in and played house music which I don't mind, but it made the place more of a bar than a hookah lounge. Until 11 when the music changed and the crowd got a little younger, it was definitely a good scene and a spot where I wouldn't mind taking a girl on a first date or just having a sesh with some buddies. Nonetheless, great idea and if executed properly and in a good locale, I think it could be quite an investment.

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****MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WON'T ALLOW THE PIPES TO FALL OVER AND SHATTER****
just at a bar last weekend and some person put their foot up on the table and one of the legs gave out. to make a long short story shorter, the hookah fell and shattered all over the place and the whole group left. i dont have any ideas about how you could make it so the pipes cant topple over. (maybe a plexiglass tall rectangular prism that you could put the pipe down into so you could still see the pipe in action but its not as easy to topple over the pipe) this would also save you money. or you could have a policy- you brake it, you buy it- kinda harsh, but would make people more aware of what they are doing.
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thats why I suggested the small and medium size ones. they are easy to sit in, get in and out of, and reach for things in.
also some nice leather chairs and sofa's are great cuz then people have a choice.
for sure then, especially if there was a precaution made to make sure the hookahs didn't fall and shatter like what was mentioned above...
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for sure then, especially if there was a precaution made to make sure the hookahs didn't fall and shatter like what was mentioned above...
oh yeah, and he will have to have something that holds the base down, along with super long hoses.
also love sac now makes these really cool things and its like a build your own sofa, go to a love sac store and check them out, its like a sofa all modern looking but still really really comfortable
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don't forget various ottomans those are nice to make the setting intimate but not squishing people all together. They can be moved around easily by patrons and allows for a variety when included with the typical couches and such.

Also try darker fabrics as you are sure to incur burn marks from careless coals or cigarettes. With that many different people, it is impossible to remain burn free forever.
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(maybe a plexiglass tall rectangular prism that you could put the pipe down into so you could still see the pipe in action but its not as easy to topple over the pipe)
when i went to twilight cafe in fullerton california, they came out with our hookah and set it into some metal contraption. it consisted of a flat metal surface which the base of the hookah sits on, and then it had joints that came up to the neck of the base with a clamp attached to the joints that held the base sturdy. never seen something like it and it looked homemade by a welder/metalworker.
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My favorite hookah bar is kinda dim and modern looking. It has a bunch of black couches and some tables and chairs. Some chill art on the walls. I like the idea of TV's. It has one and I think there should be a couple more. A sweet patio where people can smoke is a great idea imo. I would keep the drink choices low. I don't know about smoothies just because the blender would be loud. Other than that, I'd just creat a really chill environment where people will feel welcome. I also think customer service is huge! Theres a somewhat nice hookah bar near me that I hate after going once just because the guys who run it are dicks! If you are really nice and cool to customers it goes a long way! I now tell people never to go to casbah in austin because I don't like how the people who work there act! On the other hand, at my fave bar, the owner is a super chill guy who is always nice and jokes around with people.
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I would keep the drink choices low. I don't know about smoothies just because the blender would be loud.
My local bar makes fresh smoothies and i never hear the blender. I guess they in a back room or in the room where they prepare the hookahs. They seem to be a really popular drink so i would recommend them if you can keep the noise down.
With teas/coffees i would sell them by the cup and by the *** as well. Have a few nice metal or ceramic medium sized pots and serve the tea with those obnoxiously tiny cups that middle eastern places always seem to use.

usually they look like this:
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the little cup makes people feel like they got more tea than they did, and adds a cool vibe.
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My local bar makes fresh smoothies and i never hear the blender. I guess they in a back room or in the room where they prepare the hookahs. They seem to be a really popular drink so i would recommend them if you can keep the noise down.
With teas/coffees i would sell them by the cup and by the *** as well. Have a few nice metal or ceramic medium sized pots and serve the tea with those obnoxiously tiny cups that middle eastern places always seem to use.

usually they look like this:
http://www.eturkuaz.com/images/pshcybryl.jpg

the little cup makes people feel like they got more tea than they did, and adds a cool vibe.
Thank you soo much for input. I really like those glasses.
I have been doing some research and I read all of the threads on this forum like this one. I thank all of you for your input and I hope I can keep asking your opinions about other aspects.

I am truely going to open a hookah lounge I am just trying to make it the best I can. I have lots of customer service,restaurant, and bar experience. I am still learning hookah techniques, but I have gained alot of experience lately and through daily experiments am learning more every day.

Thanks again!!!
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Has anybody used South Smoke for there Hookah supplier?

Just curious, They seem to have a pretty good variety!
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I checked out Social Smoke, they seem really limited to what they have.

Especially on flavors of shisha tobacco.
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I dont personally know any of the dealers on this forum but from what i've read they seem rather friendly. I would guess if your going to be supplying a store you'll be buying alot of everything, maybe someone would work out a deal to be a supplier. I would e-mail around and see if anyone would make some sort of bulk discount or something.
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